Re: evangelize EDP please

[Paul Greenstein <paul@ubiq.co.uk>]

Thought I would throw my own feelings about the Repeater back into the 
ether:

I have a Repeater already, but am considering getting an EDP as well. 
My feeling was (and this has been reinforced by some of the writings on 
this mailing list, both technical and conceptual) that the EDP has more 
depths in terms of the possibility of random musicality. One of  the 
ways I use the Repeater is to record a musically straightforward, even 
'pretty' loop of indeterminate length. I then flip out of overdub mode, 
and start to insert material, gradually breaking down the structure of 
the piece, taking it in mostly unpredictable directions.

It looks like the EDP would lend itself more to this kind of approach, 
(I assume) due to features like Insert/Divide etc. My understanding (am 
I wrong?) is that the EDP will quantise insertions to the beat, which 
would obviously make it easier to create a 'musical' effect (which may 
be desirable from time to time).





Paul



On Wednesday, October 29, 2003, at 04:31  pm, Greg House wrote:

> --- Lance Chance <lrc8918@louisiana.edu> wrote:
>
> Not to be argumentative, or to discourage anyone from getting an EDP 
> (which
> sounds like a great unit), but you make some statements about the 
> Repeater which
> I don't understand.
>
> You mentioned the easier foot pedal setup. Well, yeah. The EDP has a 
> dedicated
> foot pedal that you buy pre-configured. It doesn't get much easier 
> then that.
> With the Repeater, you have to use a midi controller, which means 
> programming it.
> That's always going to be more complicated. However, I've noticed that 
> many of
> the more advanced users of the EDP also use a midi controller with it, 
> to make
> more options and more control immediately available. The difficulty of
> programming a midi controller will be about the same whether you're 
> controlling a
> Repeater or an EDP, so I don't really see this as a big advantage.
>
> And yes, while you can buy that simple dedicated foot controller for 
> the EDP,
> they charge you almost as much for this basic metal box (which 
> consists of just 7
> switches and a handful of resistors) as you might pay for a nice 
> Behringer MIDI
> foot controller, which is infinitely more versatile.
>
> Now, I -really- like the fact that you can plug an expression pedal 
> directly into
> the EDP and control feedback (and other parameters?). That's a really 
> nice
> feature.
>
>>   i find the repeater more
>> difficult to use in a studio environment, where it's stutters and 
>> fluttery
>> artifacts are much more apparent than in a live venue.
>
> I've never heard any "stutters or fluttery artifacts" when using my 
> Repeater. It
> plays back what I play in. Is there a specific sequence of events or 
> functions
> you use which triggers this?
>
>> if i had to drop one, i guess it would be the repeater, because 
>> though it
>> can do a whole lot more, the work that i have done with my edp and 
>> just my
>> guitar is much more professional sounding than the work  i have done 
>> with
>> the repeater.   so, despite not being able to even twist the durn 
>> delay time
>> (grrrr) on the edp, for me it finally came down to sound quality.
>
> Given that the Repeater has higher fidelity then the EDP, I don't 
> understand this
> comment. I've never had any problems with it's sound quality, as long 
> as it's run
> at the right signal levels, it's line level, and if you try to run it 
> at
> instrument levels, it'll be noisy. That's not unique to the Repeater. 
> Most studio
> effects are like this.
>
> Or are you talking about the slight ticking sound some people get on 
> track 1 when
> using the CFC? Apparently that varies in intensity from unit to unit, 
> mine
> doesn't do it.
>
>> the edp
>> sounds awesome.  no doubt.  it is warm and full and loops without the
>> slightest hint of a pop.   i make a lot of textural soundscapes and 
>> this
>> thing about pops at the loop point is almost a tie breaker right off 
>> the
>> bat, for me.   if you are an ebow player, i bet that you know what i 
>> am
>> talking about.
>
> I am, and I don't. I hear a very slight change (usually a little 
> surge) in volume
> around the loop point on the Repeater, never a pop. It's never 
> bothered me.
>
>> i say get the edp.
>
> I don't necessarily disagree, depending on what someone wants to do, 
> and how they
> like to work.
>
> For me, the Repeater works in a very intuitive way and it allows many 
> many
> flexable options for manipulation which the EDP doesn't (time
> stretching/contracting, pitch manipulation, panning, time shifting, 
> multiple
> tracks for realtime mixing, effects loop, etc). The EDP, on the other 
> hand is
> extremely powerful in other respects.
>
> Compare what you like, how you work, the level things need to run in 
> your rig,
> and what features you want to use while playing, and the choice will 
> probably
> become clear.
>
> Greg
>
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