Re: evangelize EDP please

["Lance Chance" <lrc8918@louisiana.edu>]

don't get me wrong, i love my repeater and the project that i'm working on
right now features it as a main piece.
i see your points about controller issues.   i do like the integrated 
nature
of the direct pedal plug and dedicated foot controller, but for different
controllers it all works out to be the same.
however, my unit does have a cfc "tick" and, for me, between the operating
noisefloor and peak values, i would say that i probably have about 4db of
boogie room.   i don't know, my edp seems wider that that, somehow.   there
is also a warmth to the sound of an edp that seems lacking in the repeater.
it sort of sounds like the repeater is "mpeg-ing" everything and you can
hear the packets being delivered.
finally, i can't abide by the artifact at the loop point.   i guess it was 
a
bit presumptuous to assume that ebow guitarist would have a problem with
this as a rule, but that "very slight change (usually a little surge) in
volume around the loop point" that you mention is something that doesn't
happen at all on my EDP.  that is probably my main issue with the repeater,
in the setting of guitar and guitarist at least.
my feelings summed up as follows:   the repeater infinitely more versatile
and can respond well to many types of input.   the edp is "warmer"  
"realer"
and perhaps more responsive to the whimsy of the player.  i find that the
edp works better as part of a instrument and instrumentalist package,
whereas i like to devote the whole attention of a player just to the
manipulation of the repeater.
ultimately yes, it depends on the application.

lance

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg House" <ghunicycle@yahoo.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: evangelize EDP please


> --- Lance Chance <lrc8918@louisiana.edu> wrote:
>
> Not to be argumentative, or to discourage anyone from getting an EDP
(which
> sounds like a great unit), but you make some statements about the 
>Repeater
which
> I don't understand.
>
> You mentioned the easier foot pedal setup. Well, yeah. The EDP has a
dedicated
> foot pedal that you buy pre-configured. It doesn't get much easier then
that.
> With the Repeater, you have to use a midi controller, which means
programming it.
> That's always going to be more complicated. However, I've noticed that
many of
> the more advanced users of the EDP also use a midi controller with it, to
make
> more options and more control immediately available. The difficulty of
> programming a midi controller will be about the same whether you're
controlling a
> Repeater or an EDP, so I don't really see this as a big advantage.
>
> And yes, while you can buy that simple dedicated foot controller for the
EDP,
> they charge you almost as much for this basic metal box (which consists 
>of
just 7
> switches and a handful of resistors) as you might pay for a nice 
>Behringer
MIDI
> foot controller, which is infinitely more versatile.
>
> Now, I -really- like the fact that you can plug an expression pedal
directly into
> the EDP and control feedback (and other parameters?). That's a really 
>nice
> feature.
>
> >   i find the repeater more
> > difficult to use in a studio environment, where it's stutters and
fluttery
> > artifacts are much more apparent than in a live venue.
>
> I've never heard any "stutters or fluttery artifacts" when using my
Repeater. It
> plays back what I play in. Is there a specific sequence of events or
functions
> you use which triggers this?
>
> > if i had to drop one, i guess it would be the repeater, because though
it
> > can do a whole lot more, the work that i have done with my edp and just
my
> > guitar is much more professional sounding than the work  i have done
with
> > the repeater.   so, despite not being able to even twist the durn delay
time
> > (grrrr) on the edp, for me it finally came down to sound quality.
>
> Given that the Repeater has higher fidelity then the EDP, I don't
understand this
> comment. I've never had any problems with it's sound quality, as long as
it's run
> at the right signal levels, it's line level, and if you try to run it at
> instrument levels, it'll be noisy. That's not unique to the Repeater. 
>Most
studio
> effects are like this.
>
> Or are you talking about the slight ticking sound some people get on 
>track
1 when
> using the CFC? Apparently that varies in intensity from unit to unit, 
>mine
> doesn't do it.
>
> > the edp
> > sounds awesome.  no doubt.  it is warm and full and loops without the
> > slightest hint of a pop.   i make a lot of textural soundscapes and 
>this
> > thing about pops at the loop point is almost a tie breaker right off 
>the
> > bat, for me.   if you are an ebow player, i bet that you know what i am
> > talking about.
>
> I am, and I don't. I hear a very slight change (usually a little surge) 
>in
volume
> around the loop point on the Repeater, never a pop. It's never bothered
me.
>
> > i say get the edp.
>
> I don't necessarily disagree, depending on what someone wants to do, and
how they
> like to work.
>
> For me, the Repeater works in a very intuitive way and it allows many 
>many
> flexable options for manipulation which the EDP doesn't (time
> stretching/contracting, pitch manipulation, panning, time shifting,
multiple
> tracks for realtime mixing, effects loop, etc). The EDP, on the other 
>hand
is
> extremely powerful in other respects.
>
> Compare what you like, how you work, the level things need to run in your
rig,
> and what features you want to use while playing, and the choice will
probably
> become clear.
>
> Greg
>
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