Re: EDP vs. Repeater

[Per Boysen <per@boysen.se>]

Hi Neil,

I use Live as master and slave my EDP by midi clock.... if that's what 
you meant? Yes, it's running smoothly over here. I keep doing a lot of 
multiply-rec's on the EDP to cut loop the length aggressively and it 
stays in sync all the time. The challenge is to start the music all 
ambient, with no beat, and then try to find the rhythm and the 
downbeat. One trick is to overdub a drone pad in Augustus Loop and have 
it return through Lives  Autofilter plug-in. Whenever you need to find 
the beat you just have to increase a little resonance and listen to the 
beat synced filter sweeps of the autofilter. In my recent FCB set-up I 
only use three loop lengths, plus a triad option, for Augustus. If my 
memory serves me right it's one bar, two bars and four bars. So it's 
easy to get over from non-groove wishy-washy to a defined beat, with 
Augustus. Then, when the beat is defined I either record the first EDP 
loop in sync, or if I have already started an EDP loop that might now 
be of an odd lengths I do the rec-rec trick or multyply-rec to line it 
up.

> What does Augustus Loop give you that you can't get just recording into
> Live as a clip?

No 1: "Overdub layering into a loop".
And it also has this "inertia"  when changing pitch, length or 
direction (reverse loop). It doesn't catch up right away, it slows down 
or speeds up, maybe misses the addressed speed a bit and goes back to 
lock up. I like to loop live with a bunch of organic loops that I 
change all the time. This can be done with Augustus but is not possible 
in Live. In live you have to fix a loop and leave it playing back over 
and over sounding almost the same (except for modulating plug-ins 
eventually slapped over the channel).

Another thing Augustus gives, that Live doesn't, is some wonderfully 
unpredictable stuff you get when putting a loop into reverse mode and 
back, pitching it between -12, +-0 and +12. If you layer stuff when 
down at -12 and then go directly to +12 you will get some two octave 
high chatter-flutter. These manoeuvres seem to mess up fragments of 
audio still hoovering in RAM, and when going into reverse mode the loop 
length increases dramatically and all weird audio fragments appears 
right from nowhere in an unpredictable manners. Well, maybe it's really 
not so unpredictable, but at least I have not yet figured out exactly 
what is going on. But it sounds cool and I'm doing it all the time ;-)

I tend to use LIve as a mixer and patchbay and very rarely record as a 
clip in Live. Might be if I need a tight bassline. Then I record into a 
live clip on a session view channel already prepared with a compressor 
for bass, and tune the clip down one octave. I use to play in a way 
that will make the bassline work also re-pitched, for use with other 
chords/harmonies. I hate when I have to look at the computer screen so 
I just record the bassline, turn to the laptop and put the clip into 
legato mode, tune it down one octave and copy it to a couple of scenes 
on the same track. Then I re-pitch some of the clips to give future 
options for building harmonies around them. By pressing foot pads to 
change scene in Live I can then recall those differently pitched 
basslines while improvising. It's a bit uncomfortable but if you load 
up with many basslines clips in Live you might not have to turn at the 
laptop again  during that gig.

All the best

Per
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On Jul 23, 2004, at 10:26 PM, Neil Goldstein wrote:

> Per
>
> I've been betatesting Live 4, and am an avid user since 1.0.
>
> What are your settings for syncing EDP to Live? Is it running smoothly?
> I had tried that oh so powerful combo a while back but ran into 
> glitches
> (no pun intended) where Live would reset to Bar 1 at each Loop Start on
> the EDP when running the EDP as master clock. It probably needs the
> right Song Pointer settings in the EDP.
>
> What does Augustus Loop give you that you can't get just recording into
> Live as a clip? I looked at it but haven't had the heart to try it yet
> with the glut of options already at hand :-)
>
> Inquiring minds...
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>>
>> I'm "multi-tracking" my EDP by using it with a laptop running Ableton
>> Live. Whenever I come up with something i like on the EDP  I have the
>> option to punch in a loop of it in Live. Then I continue to work the
>> EDP loop into something different, in parallel with the Live loop
>> (might also mangle it further i Live). But lately I have started using
>> the software plug-in Augustus Loop and tend to use more live loops in
>> Augustus together with the EDP instead of recording the EDP loops into
>> Live. It's much faster and unpredictable in a way I like ;-)
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Per Boysen
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