Re: Question for Echoplex experts.

[Chris Sewell <chris@gguitars.com>]

Thanks for the info gentlemen. Actually the amp dilemma is moot as Im  
using an acoustic guitar and putting the EDP into the effects loop of a  
Taylor K4.
I will experiment with using the PA aux out idea. That might work in  
the short run. Again, thanks for the info.

On Dec 24, 2004, at 11:52 AM, Doug Cox wrote:

> I started to suggest this as well, but remembered the issue I  
> sometimes run into as I loop more than just guitar.  Depending on  
> where you capture your guitar signal in the looper, and what you're  
> using for amplification, you can have a problem.
>
> If, as many guitar-loopers are, you are capturing your electric guitar  
> signal before the poweramp and speakers, you then have a signal in  
> your looper that *needs* that final tone shaping step to sound "good".  
>  That is, of course, an opinion... but it's one that is commonly held  
> among guitar players.  If you capture a pre-poweramp/speaker electric  
> guitar signal in your EDP, along with a signal that should be  
> amplified with full-frequency equipment (for instance, a keyboard or a  
> saxophone), then you're in a dilemma re: which amp to send it to.
>
> Right now I'm using my EDPs to loop any & everything, and I'm running  
> the output to a full range PA system.  So, I actually *mic* my guitar  
> cab and bring it into a mixer along with other signals.  I've also  
> used various rack guitar units with speaker sims to achieve the same  
> thing.  The Roland GP-100 is a pretty spectacular unit for this, IMO.   
> I'm considering flip-flopping back to it, in fact :)
>
> Chris - I shouldn't really give $$ saving advice in this area, since I  
> have 2 EDPs and am exploring the addition of Ableton Live to my setup.  
>  But as a basic answer, I'd suggest that you use one looper to manage  
> guitar signals, and another to grab your finished guitar signal (if  
> you want) plus other full-range instruments.  The new dilemma will be  
> - which for which? :)
>
> 2 EDPs synch beautifully together, just as you described, and in even  
> more powerful ways.  Read your EDP manual for some hints, but the  
> basic idea is that they can work together re: tempo (precisely, down  
> to the sample level), yet independently re: other features like loop  
> length, reverse/halfspeed, etc.  Together, they are a pretty amazing  
> palette of loopage.
>
> If you can afford it, and are up for exploring it, buying another EDP  
> can't be a bad thing.
>
> Doug
>
> Krispen Hartung wrote:
>
>> You could buy more EDPs and sync them via the Brother sync, but that  
>> could get expensive at $700+ a pop. Why don't you run your EDP in the  
>> aux loop of your mixer? In other words, run from one of the aux. outs  
>> of your board to the input of the EDP, then run the output of your  
>> EDP into one of your mixer channels (so you can control the volume  
>> easier). Then for each instrument you have running into your board,  
>> if you want to loop them, turn up that aux. level on that  
>> instrument's channel. I do this all of the time when I have guest  
>> musicians play with me and I want to loop them.
>>
>> Or you could just buy switch box of some sort that can converge  
>> multiple instruments into one output, which you would run to your EDP  
>> as normal.
>>
>> Kris
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Sewell [_mailto:chris@gguitars.com_]
>> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 7:53 AM
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Subject: Question for Echoplex experts.
>>
>>
>> I just purchased an Echoplex. I upgraded, or at least added from an RC
>> 20. What Im interested in figuring out is this. I would like to
>> incorporate different instruments into my performances. Bass, possibly
>> some percussion of some kind. However, with one Echoplex I am limited
>> to just one channel of the mixing board. Is adding a second echoplex
>> the answer? It seems the manual is telling me they can be synced up  
>> via
>> Midi. So conceivably one loop on one machine will tell the other how
>> long a cycle and other parameters as well. In other words, can I play  
>> a
>> loop on one machine, then switch to bass and   add to the loop on the
>> other machine and they sync up? Will multiply also work? My mind is
>> spinning with possibilities here. Any info would help.
>> Thanks and Merry Christmas.
>> Chris
>>
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