Re: Stuff in the feedback loop, Was: Cooking your delays?

[Per Boysen <per@boysen.se>]

Andreas,

If possible, throw in as many as possible separate virtual outputs  
for all effects. Then, when used in Live 5, you are not restricted to  
keep them in the loopers internal feedback pipe. You can also choose  
to send out a pipe to another channel in Live.

BTW I'm not sure that I personally would like to have effects built  
into the looper patch. If multiple outputs are available - at  
different stages of the signal path - I think I would prefer to route  
a part of the signal out into Live and apply the effect there  
instead. This would be a more modular approach that can be better  
customized. But maybe you have a good reason for stuffing it all into  
that Reaktor patch? I have very limited experience with Reactor myself.

But regarding "stuff in the feedback loop" I am very experienced and  
I would like to recommend anyone to explore this area. "Stuff in the  
feedback loop" was actually what brought me into looping back in the  
early eighties. I had a hardware delay and a harmonizer and found  
that I could cable the harmonizer in the effect loop of the delay and  
have each delay slap loop back at a different pitch; a "cascading"  
effect. Some of my favorite Pluggo plug-ins (Cycling74) appears to  
use the "stuff in feedback loop" concept, as does also the Eventide  
Eclipse, TC FireworX and many other interesting audio tools (as far  
as my ears can tell....)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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On Sep 7, 2005, at 6:42, Andreas Wetterberg wrote:

> Good point, which brings us to another good subject:
> I'm building my own super-duper Reaktor patch for looping, since  
> I'm tired of looper limitations and convoluted interfaces. It will  
> be based on four of these looping beauties:
> http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php? 
> id=userlibrary_us&type=0&ulbr=1&ftu=f3e347af65&plview=detail&patchid=2 
> 392
> and a bunch of effects( filters, saturator/distortions,  
> granulators, other delay lines, gates etc.) and I want the  
> structure of the patch to be at least semi-modular, to allow  
> esoteric stuff, like using the effects in the feedback chain. But  
> since i have to build the crap myself, are there any of your who  
> have some good ideas for effects and routing? Mixer configurations?  
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> --- oh, and I intend to use the patch in conjunction with Live5, so  
> I can route audio out and loop that too.
> Best,
>
> Andreas
> mark sottilaro wrote:
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