Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco

["Timothy Mungenast" <mungenast@earthlink.net>]

"Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types are 
quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or "anti-capitalism", 
"leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old "anti-Republican". "

Well, Stephen, while there are a sprinkling of "Hate America First" types
in the antiwar movement, you may not realize that, here in America, there
are a lot of regular just-plain-joes who have begun to turn against the
war...maybe it's seeing their kids come home in rubber bags.And THEN there
are those antiwar protests lead by people who have actually BEEN to war. 
~Tim




> [Original Message]
> From: Stephen Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Date: 9/9/2005 5:33:15 AM
> Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco
>
> Actually it becomes incumbent upon people who take on the "anti-war"
mantle 
> to accurately identify their political affiliation(s) so that the public
- 
> the people they're trying to win over to their argument - will know what
the 
> agenda really is.  Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types are 
> quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or "anti-capitalism", 
> "leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old "anti-Republican". 
Funny 
> how this is rarely done.  What do such folks have to hide, and why?  Is
it 
> because their actual agenda is known to turn off people who would
otherwise 
> be hoodwinked effectively into supporting something which, if they 
>really 
> thought about it, may be repugnant to them?  I've found a disturbing 
> tendency on the part of protest movements in the past 15 years or so to
be 
> less concerned with whether they're VIEWED as "right" than whether
they're 
> actually "right" or not.  For me Political Correctness (spawned during a 
> particular non-Republican's term) is nothing more than the outgrowth of 
> someone else's inane need to oppress others through imitation 
> intellectualism and cooked numbers.  Individuals of all kinds and colors 
> tend to rebel against this when they know what it actually is, which is
most 
> likely why some items are often blurred a bit or put under a banner 
> presenting something "more palatable" and therefore easier to SELL.
>
> Alas, honesty is still the best policy, and not just for "someone else". 
I 
> suppose I'm some kind of "bigot" for expressing this opinion.  Beware 
> however - expressing an individual opinion is usually averse to the 
> interests of the Left, or for that matter cults like Scientology.
>
> I was asked to play a London event in 2002 that was initially described
to 
> me as a "gathering of like-minded people", then it was said to me that 
>it 
> was "in the interest of peace", and finally described to me as an
"anti-Bush 
> rally".  I persist in the belief that politics should be peoples' own 
> business, and I don't care for GroupThink either.  If this makes me a 
> conservative, then I guess I'm one of those, but not in all manners.  I
also 
> make it a point not to adhere to stereotypes, or other pre-constructed 
> expectations.  I suppose doing so could make me a "contrarian", or
perhaps 
> just a non-conformist.  I prefer the latter.
>
> It's a good thing that in San Francisco (and the rest of the United
States 
> of America) you can't be imprisoned without trial and put to death just
for 
> expressing an opinion that opposes some Ayatollah's Fundamentalist
Regime. 
> No, Pat Robertson doesn't even come close.
>
> Stephen Goodman
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jeff Shirkey" <jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Friday, 09 September, 2005 06:05 AM
> Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco
>
>
> >
> > On Sep 9, 2005, at 12:03 AM, Larry wrote:
> >
> >> You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the typical, knee-jerk
> >> response of far-left-wing America-haters.
> >
> > And thanks for your own knee-jerk response that does nothing more  
>than 
> > stereotype all anti-war sentiments as the "knee jerk responses  of 
> > far-left-wing America-haters." Yep, I'm glad you took the time to 
think 
> > that one through. Personally, I prefer the anti-war sentiments  to the 
> > pro-war ones. Call me "crazy"--or "left-wing," or "anti- American," 
> > or...(fill in the blank with your preferred stereotype of  the moment).
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >