Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES

[Adrian Bartholomew <adrian@bartholomusic.com>]

thats the best sense ive seen in a long time.
BRILLIANT!!
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Adrian Bartholomew
Leawood KS
On Sep 12, 2005, at 12:59 PM, <jesse@lunarium.com> wrote:

> I wrote a really eloquent response to this but then my web e-mail client timed out and lost it.
>
> In sum -
>
> 1. The red state/blue state thing is bogus. 
>
> 2. We are really dealing with an urban/rural thing.
>
> 3. Using my red state (Missouri) as an example, both major cities - St. Louis and Kansas City - went overwhelmingly Kerry.  The rest of the (rural) districts went Bush.
>
> 4. The pattern holds true everywhere except Texas, though Austin did go Kerry.
>
> 5. The Northeast has more urban areas than rural, so those states go blue.
>
> 6. The midwest has more rural areas than urban, so those states go red.
>
> 7. If you visited MO, you would probably be surrounded by more Kerry supporters than Bush, unless you were at a truck stop.
>
> 8. A truck stop on I-70 in MO is the same as one on I-80 in NJ.  I know, I've lived in both places.
>
> 9. Democracts need to learn to sell to the people who live near truck stops.  Period.
>
> 10. It's rude to insult and make generalizations about millions of people who live in blue cities in red states based on an oversimplified data representations (red state/blue state maps.)
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> 11. I wish I didn't have to explain this over and over again.  Please - look at the data and spread the word.  The blue state/red state thing is a farse, and it's very important to understand that if you want to influence future elections.
>
> Jesse
> Kansas City, MO
>
> On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:23 , Timothy Mungenast <mungenast@earthlink.net> sent:
>
>
>
> Sounds good, but I'd miss ZZ Top, I'd miss Moon Pies, and besides, I've got
> a whole passel of red-state relatives who think Dubya is just great. 
> I'm not sure that re-starting the Civil War is the answer.
> Let's try to understand Bush supporters-- aside from a few cynical
> plutocrats, most Bush supporters are basically good-hearted folks (like my
> Mom) who were raised in very socially conservative households and would
> vote for a bag of popcorn if it ran on a ProLife platform. Anything that
> even vaguely smells of hippiedom is anathema to them. 
> They would help you if they found you lying in the middle of the road. Your
> wallet would be safe. They work hard for their families, and they're so
> busy working their butts off making a living that they really don't have
> time to read the news. THAT'S KEY.
> And honestly, they've been underwhelmed by the Democrats' less-than-awesome
> marketing of less-than-inspiring candidates who kinda lacked charisma,
> whereas Dubya has this aura that makes ya think he wants to be your
> drinkin' buddy. It's a gift that not everybody has. 
> Look at Gore. He was a Southerner, a VietNam vet, a sportsman, a genuine
> bubba, and still the Red States would have none of it. The fact that they
> chose Captain AWOL over Gore points to feeble Democratic campaigning and,
> possibly, Al's stiff public persona. 
> Even when you have a good product, ya gotta sell, sell, sell. Ditto for
> Kerry. A good guy, but you can't afford to shoot yourself in the foot when
> you are up against the GOP, the best salesmen the world has ever seen. And
> Kerry did shoot himself in the foot more than a few times. 
> The Red Staters had reasons to vote for Dub. We may not be able to fully
> comprehend those reasons, but WE CANNOT write these people off as HeeHaw
> goofballs and inbred haters. You will not win over anybody if you insult
> them, contrary to what Howard Dean thinks. Resist the urge. Reach out. Try
> to find some common ground.
> Sonic Luv,
> Tim Mungenast
>
>
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Luis Angulo <>
> > To: <>
> > Date: 9/12/2005 4:34:22 AM
> > Subject: Dear RED STATES
> >
> > This sounds great if you dont mind i am coming with
> > you;-!
> >
> > > Dear Red States...
> > > 
> > > We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our
> > > own country, and we're
> > > taking just the Blue States with us.
> > > 
> > > In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii,
> > > California, Oregon,
> > > Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois
> > > and all the Northeast.
> > > We believe this split will be beneficial to the
> > > nation, and especially to
> > > the people of the new country.
> > > 
> > > To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all
> > > the slave states. We get
> > > stem cell research and the best beaches. We get
> > > Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken
> > > Lay.
> > > 
> > > We get the Statue of Liberty. We get Hollywood and
> > > Yosemite... You get
> > > Dollywood. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get
> > > WorldCom and Enron. We get
> > > Harvard. You get Ole' Miss. We get 85 percent of
> > > America's venture capital
> > > and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama. We get
> > > two-thirds of the tax revenue,
> > > you get to make the red states pay their fair share.
> > > 
> > > Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower
> > > than the Christian
> > > Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You
> > > get a bunch of single
> > > moms.
> > > 
> > > Please be aware that the new country will be
> > > pro-choice and anti-war, and
> > > we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq
> > > at once. If you need
> > > people to fight, ask your politicians and
> > > evangelicals. They have kids
> > > they're apparently willing to send to their deaths
> > > for no purpose, and they
> > > don't care if you don't show pictures of their
> > > children's caskets coming
> > > home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that
> > > the WMDs turn up, but
> > > we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's
> > > Quagmire.
> > > 
> > > With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm
> > > control of 80 percent of the
> > > country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the
> > > pineapple and lettuce, 92
> > > percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of
> > > America's quality wines
> > > (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90
> > > percent of all cheese, 90
> > > percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S.
> > > low-sulfur coal, all
> > > living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy
> > > and Seven Sister schools,
> > > plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.
> > > 
> > > With the Red States, on the other hand, you will
> > > have to cope with 88
> > > percent of all obese Americans (and their projected
> > > health care costs), 92
> > > percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent
> > > of the tornadoes, 90
> > > percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all
> > > Southern Baptists, virtually
> > > 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh,
> > > Bob Jones University,
> > > Clemson and the University of Georgia.
> > > 
> > > Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states
> > > believe Jonah was
> > > actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe
> > > life is sacred unless
> > > we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44
> > > percent say that
> > > evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam
> > > was involved in 9/11, and
> > > 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are
> > > people with high morals.
> > > 
> >
> >
> > www.luis-angulo.com
> >
> >
> > 
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