I'm sure some of you have already seen this but for those who haven't its a pretty interesting idea http://www.coe.berkeley.edu/labnotes/0905/bruyns.html Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org