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Re: Looperlative Too Expensive?



I get the digest so here's several replies to different posts.  I may 
be a newbie here but I know enough to trim the end of my posts of old 
posts. ;-)

Before I say anything more though, I'd like to say that I totally 
respect Bob's business model.  I hope it works for him and I think 
that the Looperlative is a totally cool product. My day job and 
nonmusical interests give me a lot of insight into this market 
though.  Bob, if you're out there and you'd like to discuss some 
possibilities offline, send me an email.  If not, that's fine, I've 
got enough projects now.

Blah, blah, blah.  On to the replies to the posts:

>From: Suit & Tie Guy <erwill@suitandtieguy.com>
>On Jan 26, 2006, at 8:12 PM, Ronan Chris Murphy wrote:
>>$1400 is ... way less than a lot of Eventide boxes
>
>about 1/3 the cost of the new H7600. with the Eventide you have to 
>set up your own looping patch if you have some real specific shit to 
>do, though i'm sure Italo's looping presets are great (probably even 
>what Bob Fripp is using right now). with the Looperlative you have 
>to set up your own interface, whereas in the Eventide you can have a 
>few controls you prefer immediately on the front.

I found the following about Fripp's "Soundscaping" rig at:
http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/frip9712.htm

"...Fripp then got his guitar and played for an
hour and a half or so. The music was pretty dark and spooky - a lot of
piano and bell sounds along with the standard soundscape-tone. I got a
good look at his gear. His pedals from (his) left to right: Roland GR-30
Guitar synth, Roland GR-1 Guitar synth, a couple of volume pedals, Digitec
Whammy II, Rocktron controller, three more volume pedals, foot controllers
for rack units. Rack (top to bottom): Pair of Eventide Ultra Harmonizers,
TC Electronics processor, two Roland GP 100s, four (yes four!) TC
electronics 64 second delays, some processor in between the delays,
amplifier. After a while, Fripp stopped the loop (it had been one constant
loop, although parts were deleted and added along the way)..."

No Eventide H7600 that I can see, although Fripp may changed his rig 
since the post.


>From: Per Boysen <per@boysen.se>
>I see this mistake being done all over - comparing
>prices of the cheapo laptops that use to figure in advertisements.
>That's not fair IMHO.

My point is that the smart shopper doesn't buy new.  He buys 
used.  Or uses something from his day job.  Last year's tech gets 
big, big discounts.  And laptop prices at any given performance point 
are dropping rapidly.  You have to look further down the road than 
just today.  Your competitors are.

>From: Tom Ritchford <tom@swirly.com>
>the advantage to a heavily-software item like the looperlative is that
>Behringer would have to copy the software.  That would be hard to do
>without making it provably a copyright violation (rather than just a
>clone...)

Unless Behringer's software--beyond the basics--is written by users 
in the open-source community. You just wouldn't believe how much 
hacking of consumer products goes on now.  That's why the new Lego 
Mindstorms license has a "right to hack".  It's only a matter of time 
before the same thing starts happening in the musical community, 
given the number of engineers who also play music.  The standard 
sound-editing package for radio folks is Audacity, which is 
completely open-source.  Max/MSP is a visual programming environment 
previously used by installation artists that is now being used more 
and more by digital musicians and has been used to create a cheap 
open-source Final Scratch.  The new product paradigm folks are aiming 
at is Web 2.0.

Peace,
Kevin
www.TheNettles.com