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Re: Music is not political (Was Re: music is political)
"Many people just don't care to
spend the time engaging with political addicts, as it makes life a far
less
satisfying thing. On the other hand, democracy demands participation, lest
such political types infest and ultimately slow down everything while
demanding "to be heard", "
Interesting post, Stephen. I like having my preconceptions challenged!
~Tim
> [Original Message]
> From: Stephen Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Date: 4/3/2006 8:01:02 AM
> Subject: Re: Music is not political (Was Re: music is political)
>
> I continue to have little patience for anyone who needs to define their
> universe as "political", because it is these folks who want everyone to
> operate on that basis, involving "deals" and "transactional
relationships".
> Great for the medium of know-nothing middlemen and career politicos with
> nowhere else to go, not so great for everyone else.
>
> Politics are always kept private until it is felt that more converts are
> required for whatever is called "the movement" right now. Then it's all
> dumped on the rest of us as if we're somehow lacking in character or
> something for disliking political types. Many people just don't care to
> spend the time engaging with political addicts, as it makes life a far
less
> satisfying thing. On the other hand, democracy demands participation,
lest
> such political types infest and ultimately slow down everything while
> demanding "to be heard", which usually means that what they want is for
> everyone to "think like me". Of course if everyone thought the same
there
> wouldn't be any conflict - but then again we wouldn't be human anymore,
just
> duplicates. But to declare All Art is Always Political? Such is only
true
> for one who thinks so, and not for most others.
>
> As you can guess I don't think of peoples' relationships as political by
> default.
>
> Art is Art. Like it? Great. Hate it? Great. It's what one does with
> such experience I think that matters - but that is not Art, but ones
> reaction to it. So, no, Art is not Political unless it's propaganda.
Then
> it's no longer Art, but Art Put To Use For Political Purposes, which in
my
> opinion renders it corrupt and only assessible from an aspect of Style,
in
> context of whatever political dross it was used to sell at the time.
>
> I've got an old Lenin pin, sold to a friend of mine by an ex-Soviet
soldier
> on the streets of St. Petersburg in the early 90s. In the US wearing
such a
> thing is more of a fashion blip than anything else. If I wore it in the
UK
> anytime near May 1, I'd be thought to be a Socialist/Anarchist/whatever,
aka
> Communism with a less-unhappy Face IMNSHO. If one is making Art that is
by
> specification Political, at the least what one is doing is making
Political
> Art, aka Propaganda for Political Purposes.
>
> And that's all I'll say about it.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stefan Tiedje" <Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Monday, 03 April, 2006 10:09 AM
> Subject: Re: Music is not political (Was Re: music is political)
>
>
> > mark sottilaro wrote:
> >> I'd pretty much say that non lyrical music has no
> >> intrinsic political qualities. I dare you to gleen a
> >> message from any of my music. Don't bother, there
> >> isn't one.
> >
> > Any art is always political...
> > Usually very conservative politicians want to claim that art should not
be
> > political, and deliver some examples, which show that these examples
are
> > political in their sense. (aka not asking the wrong questions...)
> >
> > Which is very political!!!
> > And every artist should be aware of the posibility of this sort of
> > political abuse.
> >
> > If you are not aware of it, it might be political in the wrong
direction.
> >
> > Remember "Entartete Musik" and you know what politics can be about,
>you
> > can't escape it.
> >
> > Stefan
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