Ouch: Ditching lp1 was re: LP1 Rant warning!

[jayrope <jrploopers@kliklak.net>]

Title: Ouch: Ditching lp1  was re: LP1 Rant warning!

> mark.
>
> I personall ycan’t afford an lp1, but if I had the money I would certainly trust the offers of a one man company-developper such as bob/looperlative.
>
> it shows, really, when you fail to send such a messagr to the loopers list.
> basically it says, that you should you shouldn’t buy off visionary developers next time really.
>
> I am – really disappointed of such an attitude.
> and I personally support a developper such as bob, even if I can’t afford such a machine myself.
>
> think about it.
>
> j
>
> From: mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com>
> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 11:35:33 -0700 (PDT)
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: LP1 Rant warning! (was Re: Looperlative LP1 testers)
>
> Oops, disregard. It was meant to go to Mark T...
>
> --- mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> > 
> > I'm thinking of staying with my Repeater and
> > ditching
> > the Looperlative.  Bob's offered to take it back but
> > I
> > imagine he'll just sell it for his $1500 price.  I'm
> > not looking to make money on this, but I'd like to
> > retreive my full purchase amount.  $1320 gets it
> > shipped to your door if you're in the USA.
> > 
> > M
> > 
> > --- mark t <aleatoric12@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > If you want to sell your LP1 i'll take it!
> > > 
> > > On 5/2/06, mark sottilaro
> > > <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > --- Claude Voit <c.voit@vtx.ch> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > having followed the LP1 forum for a while, I'm
> > a
> > > > > little bothered with the
> > > > > "throw in your ideas, boys" way of develloping
> > a
> > > > > software.
> > > >
> > > > Boy howdy, Claude!!  At first I thought, "what a
> > > great
> > > > idea, go to the people!" and then reality set
> > in.
> > > > People are self absorbed jerks!  I'm a self
> > > absorbed
> > > > jerk! I'm shocked that Bob's not gone crazy by
> > > this
> > > > point.  I can't wait for the "let's change the
> > > logo
> > > > thread!" ;)
> > > >
> > > > I can't help but feel that in some ways, maybe
> > due
> > > to
> > > > his design by customer input, that I bought a
> > beta
> > > > product.  The manual is poor (many features are
> > > barely
> > > > mentioned, let alone explained, if it wasn't for
> > > Steve
> > > > Lawson on the forum I probably would have
> > returned
> > > the
> > > > LP-1), it's got outputs that aren't implemented
> > in
> > > any
> > > > way and did ship with a fair amount of bugs.
> > (many
> > > > have already been found and fixed) Was a night
> > of
> > > my
> > > > life wasted because v 1.1 refered to midi
> > channels
> > > as
> > > > 0-15?  Yes it was.  Another gone because the
> > midi
> > > > clock sync didn't work?  Yeah, that too. 
> > Another
> > > gone
> > > > because stopped tracks don't restart synced to
> > the
> > > > clock...
> > > >
> > > > Also, because of it's very open yet unfinished
> > > form
> > > > I'm one of those frustrated owners.  It's a
> > tweak
> > > away
> > > > from being my dream looper. (there's curently no
> > > way
> > > > to use the midi tracks as separate loops when
> > > synced
> > > > to a midi clock and have them operate like the
> > EDP
> > > or
> > > > the Repeater does, toggling betwen them) Judging
> > > from
> > > > what I read on the forum you could operate it
> > that
> > > > way.
> > > >
> > > > If this was a product from a company like Roland
> > > or
> > > > Digitech, it would have been returned.  Mostly
> > > when
> > > > those companies release a product it is what it
> > > is.
> > > > I'd have said, "Oh, this product does't operate
> > > like I
> > > > want it to.  Bye bye."  But now I have a product
> > > that
> > > > *may* change into what I want.  This is kind of
> > > odd,
> > > > as rather than digging into if for what it is (a
> > > very
> > > > cool multi track looper), I can't help but think
> > > of
> > > > what it isn't and might be.  LOOP TEASE!
> > > >
> > > > Will my tweak come?  I don't know.  I've put in
> > > > several requests but never got a "oh that's
> > slated
> > > in
> > > > the next release" or "no, that's not doable at
> > > this
> > > > time" reply.  The reply was "When it comes to
> > > multiple
> > > > tracks, especially when combined with MIDI sync,
> > > we
> > > > will need to spend more time defining how you
> > want
> > > the
> > > > software to work. The software is still young
> > and
> > > I'd
> > > > be happy to make changes to make operate in a
> > > useable
> > > > fashion."  How much time?  Do I be patient?  I
> > > don't
> > > > develop hardware/software loopers so I have no
> > > idea
> > > > what it takes in terms of time to implement
> > > features.
> > > > Maybe my request isn't worth Bob's time as I'm
> > one
> > > of
> > > > few that even care about this.
> > > >
> > > > As it stands now it's mostly useless to me *but
> > I
> > > > couldn't know that based on prerelease
> > > information*
> > > > It's not even in my signal chain.  I know I'm
> > > ranting
> > > > (I'm a good ranter, eh?) but $1200 left my bank
> > > acount
> > > > on something that's sitting on a shelf.  Do I
> > > wait?
> > > > How long?  Bob has been amazing and patient, but
> > > part
> > > > of me wishs that a bit more time was spent in
> > > initial
> > > > conception before it was released.  If I knew
> > that
> > > > this *is* the way the LP-1 is going to be for a
> > > long
> > > > time, I would have passed.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not saying the LP-1 isn't GREAT.  It is a
> > > great
> > > > looper.  In some ways it's the best.  If you're
> > > not a
> > > > midi clock looper, this may indeed be your box. 
> > > If
> > > > you don't care about cuing a new loop to start
> > > > recording at the end of the current loop AND
> > then
> > > > going back and finding the first loop still
> > > perfectly
> > > > synced to your drum machine, this may be your
> > > looper.
> > > > If you want 8 stereo channels of midi synced (or
> > > not)
> > > > loops that don't all have to be the same length,
> > > this
> > > > may be your looper.
> > > >
> > > > Of course Bob is on this list so he's probably
> > > going
> > > > to read this.  Hi Bob!  Bob, I like you.  I like
> > > the
> > > > Looperlative.  I could not have done anything
> > like
> > > > this at all.  I have much respect for your hard
> > > work
> > > > and effort.  Your ability to implement all our
> > > crazy
> > > > feature requests in a short time has been
> > amazing.
> > > > I'd have told me to fuck off a long time ago. 
> > In
> > > a
> > > > sense I wish you would.  Then I could say, "is
> > the
> > > > LP-1 worth owning in it's current form?" and be
> > > done
> > > > with it.  Like it is it's an itch in my brain
> > that
> > > I
> > > > just can't scratch.
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > 
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