Re: Ditching lopperlative version 2

[paulrichard10@adelphia.net]

I just have one question? When's the price of the Looperlative going to 
drop to, say, $599.99? 

Hopefuly, after the folks with deep pockets buy them.

--
Paul Richards

---- jayrope <jrploopers@kliklak.net> wrote: 
> >  I am afraid I didn¹t read further before, sorry for dissing you here 
>mark.
> > 
> > I do undertand your reasons now.
> > 
> > still I believe, that the looperlative will be a very cool machine ­ 
>in the
> > end ­ and the more imprtant questions is, if there¹s any way of 
>finding bob
> > co-developpers to help him and expand the idea of this great thing
> > 
> > so
> > jayrope -  berlin
> > 
> > From: mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com>
> > Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:44:38 -0700 (PDT)
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Subject: Re: LP1 Rant warning! (was Re: Looperlative LP1 testers)
> > 
> > Hey,
> > 
> > I'm thinking of staying with my Repeater and ditching
> > the Looperlative.  Bob's offered to take it back but I
> > imagine he'll just sell it for his $1500 price.  I'm
> > not looking to make money on this, but I'd like to
> > retreive my full purchase amount.  $1320 gets it
> > shipped to your door if you're in the USA.
> > 
> > M
> > 
> > --- mark t <aleatoric12@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> > If you want to sell your LP1 i'll take it!
> >> > 
> >> > On 5/2/06, mark sottilaro
> >> > <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> > > --- Claude Voit <c.voit@vtx.ch> wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>>> > > > having followed the LP1 forum for a while, I'm a
> >>>> > > > little bothered with the
> >>>> > > > "throw in your ideas, boys" way of develloping a
> >>>> > > > software.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Boy howdy, Claude!!  At first I thought, "what a
> >> > great
> >>> > > idea, go to the people!" and then reality set in.
> >>> > > People are self absorbed jerks!  I'm a self
> >> > absorbed
> >>> > > jerk! I'm shocked that Bob's not gone crazy by
> >> > this
> >>> > > point.  I can't wait for the "let's change the
> >> > logo
> >>> > > thread!" ;)
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I can't help but feel that in some ways, maybe due
> >> > to
> >>> > > his design by customer input, that I bought a beta
> >>> > > product.  The manual is poor (many features are
> >> > barely
> >>> > > mentioned, let alone explained, if it wasn't for
> >> > Steve
> >>> > > Lawson on the forum I probably would have returned
> >> > the
> >>> > > LP-1), it's got outputs that aren't implemented in
> >> > any
> >>> > > way and did ship with a fair amount of bugs. (many
> >>> > > have already been found and fixed) Was a night of
> >> > my
> >>> > > life wasted because v 1.1 refered to midi channels
> >> > as
> >>> > > 0-15?  Yes it was.  Another gone because the midi
> >>> > > clock sync didn't work?  Yeah, that too.  Another
> >> > gone
> >>> > > because stopped tracks don't restart synced to the
> >>> > > clock...
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Also, because of it's very open yet unfinished
> >> > form
> >>> > > I'm one of those frustrated owners.  It's a tweak
> >> > away
> >>> > > from being my dream looper. (there's curently no
> >> > way
> >>> > > to use the midi tracks as separate loops when
> >> > synced
> >>> > > to a midi clock and have them operate like the EDP
> >> > or
> >>> > > the Repeater does, toggling betwen them) Judging
> >> > from
> >>> > > what I read on the forum you could operate it that
> >>> > > way.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > If this was a product from a company like Roland
> >> > or
> >>> > > Digitech, it would have been returned.  Mostly
> >> > when
> >>> > > those companies release a product it is what it
> >> > is.
> >>> > > I'd have said, "Oh, this product does't operate
> >> > like I
> >>> > > want it to.  Bye bye."  But now I have a product
> >> > that
> >>> > > *may* change into what I want.  This is kind of
> >> > odd,
> >>> > > as rather than digging into if for what it is (a
> >> > very
> >>> > > cool multi track looper), I can't help but think
> >> > of
> >>> > > what it isn't and might be.  LOOP TEASE!
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Will my tweak come?  I don't know.  I've put in
> >>> > > several requests but never got a "oh that's slated
> >> > in
> >>> > > the next release" or "no, that's not doable at
> >> > this
> >>> > > time" reply.  The reply was "When it comes to
> >> > multiple
> >>> > > tracks, especially when combined with MIDI sync,
> >> > we
> >>> > > will need to spend more time defining how you want
> >> > the
> >>> > > software to work. The software is still young and
> >> > I'd
> >>> > > be happy to make changes to make operate in a
> >> > useable
> >>> > > fashion."  How much time?  Do I be patient?  I
> >> > don't
> >>> > > develop hardware/software loopers so I have no
> >> > idea
> >>> > > what it takes in terms of time to implement
> >> > features.
> >>> > > Maybe my request isn't worth Bob's time as I'm one
> >> > of
> >>> > > few that even care about this.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > As it stands now it's mostly useless to me *but I
> >>> > > couldn't know that based on prerelease
> >> > information*
> >>> > > It's not even in my signal chain.  I know I'm
> >> > ranting
> >>> > > (I'm a good ranter, eh?) but $1200 left my bank
> >> > acount
> >>> > > on something that's sitting on a shelf.  Do I
> >> > wait?
> >>> > > How long?  Bob has been amazing and patient, but
> >> > part
> >>> > > of me wishs that a bit more time was spent in
> >> > initial
> >>> > > conception before it was released.  If I knew that
> >>> > > this *is* the way the LP-1 is going to be for a
> >> > long
> >>> > > time, I would have passed.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I'm not saying the LP-1 isn't GREAT.  It is a
> >> > great
> >>> > > looper.  In some ways it's the best.  If you're
> >> > not a
> >>> > > midi clock looper, this may indeed be your box.
> >> > If
> >>> > > you don't care about cuing a new loop to start
> >>> > > recording at the end of the current loop AND then
> >>> > > going back and finding the first loop still
> >> > perfectly
> >>> > > synced to your drum machine, this may be your
> >> > looper.
> >>> > > If you want 8 stereo channels of midi synced (or
> >> > not)
> >>> > > loops that don't all have to be the same length,
> >> > this
> >>> > > may be your looper.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Of course Bob is on this list so he's probably
> >> > going
> >>> > > to read this.  Hi Bob!  Bob, I like you.  I like
> >> > the
> >>> > > Looperlative.  I could not have done anything like
> >>> > > this at all.  I have much respect for your hard
> >> > work
> >>> > > and effort.  Your ability to implement all our
> >> > crazy
> >>> > > feature requests in a short time has been amazing.
> >>> > > I'd have told me to fuck off a long time ago.  In
> >> > a
> >>> > > sense I wish you would.  Then I could say, "is the
> >>> > > LP-1 worth owning in it's current form?" and be
> >> > done
> >>> > > with it.  Like it is it's an itch in my brain that
> >> > I
> >>> > > just can't scratch.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Mark
> > 
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