Re: Laptops and Latency...

["Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>]

There is another method of dealing with the latency -  I've done it on my 
notebook systems before, though with my Indigo IO and Creative Labs Audigy 
systems, I don't have any latency that annoys me - which is that on some 
soundcards you can open up a direct through signal that is sort of like 
going from your input directly to the output. It's like a dry signal on a 
board or signal processor, bi-passing the sound driver. Then you can add 
your Mobius or VST effect signal to that. Not all systems have this 
capability, but it's worth checking out.  The other reason why I don't do 
this now, aside from not having any latency issues, is that some of my VST 
effects need no dry signal mixed into their output...they need to be 
completely wet for me to get what I want from them.

Kris

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: Laptops and Latency...


> On 9 maj 2006, at 02.32, Steve Lawson wrote:
>
>> The lovely Jeff said about working with MAX/MSP on a laptop -
>> >>still loving it, and latency not bothering me at all.
>> Particularly since leaving the m-audio interface behind.....<<
>>
>> one of the major differences between your music and mine is that  your 
>> sound source is acoustic - so your relationship with latency  is going 
>to 
>> be very different in that you're already dealing with  two separate 
>> sounds - the acoustic one and the processed one. A  7-10 millisecond 
>> latency on that is going to be pretty hard to pick  up, I'd have 
>> thought...
>>
>> For me as a bassist, especially when playing percussively, I find  the 
>> disconnect that I feel when presented with that kind of latency  is 
>just 
>> nasty. I could deal with it if I was using the direct  monitoring thing 
>> through the soundcard, but that would then mean  that I'd need an 
>> external processor as well, and would defeat the  point of using a 
>> laptop. :o)
>
>
> I agree with Steve here that latency is a universal no-no. I can deal 
> with latency if I'm playing with a drummer on a big stage, but only  if 
>I 
> have the drums are taken out of the stage monitoring system OR  turned 
>up 
> so loud that I don't hear the drums acoustically. That kind  of musical 
> latency I can adjust to because it is the same all the  time. But I can 
> not adapt to the latency of computer software  monitoring.
>
> My way of dealing with this when using a laptop for looping is  simple: 
>I 
> never play my instrument through the laptop. I bypass it  and play 
> directly out through the PA, while splitting the signal and  sending one 
> part into the software looper. With Mobius this is easy  because you can 
> turn off the "audio through-put", so the only sound  that is coming out 
>of 
> the laptop is what I have looped - and Mobius  does correct the loops 
>for 
> the latency so it will loop back exactly  as I played it.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
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