Re: Indigo i/o

["Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>]

Well, this may not be well-informed, but I'll give it a shot.  My input 
level by plugging my guitar directly into the IO input and playing loud 
and 
hard  is -18db. I doesn't not pose an issue for me, as I just adjust my 
output levels to be as close to the red as possible. I don't appear to 
have 
any noise either, despite the low input level. When I go into my Boss VF1 
before my laptop, then of course I can get a better input level, as the 
Boss 
has an adjustable output.

However, occasionally, I will start my system and my guitar will be barely 
audible, even when the Analog in inside the ECHO control panel is all the 
way up. What I find is that in my normal sound card audio control panel 
(the 
one you can get to by clicking on the tiny speaker in the system tray), 
the 
Line Out fader is completely at 0. Granted, this does not boost your input 
level but it does get your output to a decent level. I push it back to the 
top and everything sounds great.

This doesn't really solve your problem, but I think the ECHO tech 
reflected 
the issue correctly.

This is one advantage I see with the Creative Labs Audigy 2 card, as it 
has 
both mic and input level settings. When I use my old laptop and plug my 
guitar directly into the card, I switch to Mic level. When I run from my 
Boss VF1 to the card, I switch to line level. I suppose if you can't live 
with the line level only of the ECHO you could return it and get the 
Audigy 
2, for a lot cheaper by the way (down to $90 now). And I have no 
complaints 
with the quality of the Audigy...it is just as clear as the ECHO, and I 
even 
like the input/outputs on the card better. I don't like how the input and 
output on the IO is from front to back. I like the Audigy positioning of 
the 
jacks better so that my cords come out of the side of the computer.

Kris

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dean, Hal " <HDEAN@wcupa.edu>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 9:29 AM
Subject: RE: Indigo i/o


Dan-

I've had no such issues with my Indigo, USING A MIXER, but not
reasonable levels, not at 10-15 abv. unity. I should add I don't use it
too often, but I did a session with vocals and slide guitar, mixed out
of a little Behringer mixer, about 2 months ago, and the sound was
great. I've found Echo very responsive, and I wouldn't hesitate to say
"I think something is wrong"... once you're sure that it is.

Kris H is probably going to give you a well-informed answer.

Howl Din

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Montgomery [mailto:dmont@knology.net]
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 11:22 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Indigo i/o



"I've just acquired an Indigo i/o.  Output is strong and clear.  Input
is very weak (< -12dB with source wide open) , but what I can hear is
clear.  I've tried several sources, mic and line values.  I've checked
the console (all at max.), the system audio settings (in and out to
Indigo i/o) and drivers.

Initial install was with provided drivers.  When the problem occurred, I

checked the Echo Audio site, downloaded and installed version 6.11.
Still very low input.  I noticed that both driver sets still showed as
installed, so I directly uninstalled the earlier version, with no
difference.  Then, I uninstalled all Indigo drivers, re-downloaded them
from echoaudio.com, reset the computer and reinstalled.  This changed
nothing."

I contacted Echo with this message and Marcel wrote back:
    "- Right, your Indigo IO input is line level. You need a micpreamp
or small mixer...."

I could've sworn  I heard a "..., ya' dope!" added when I first read it,

but that prob. just me. ;-)

All of the work so far has been via line sources and/or mixers with
proper gain structure set.  If I push everything in the mixer 10-15dB
above unity, I can get a reasonable signal, but that really seems like
pushing it.  No other system I've connected to has required that kind of

mixer amplification for level input and I don't like using a mixer as an

amp anyway.

The question is for those who have used the Echo Indigo's.  I'm trying
to determine if I have a defective card.

Do you have to push your inputs like this?

-- 
Dan Montgomery

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