> If you're in the SF Bay Area and interested in MAX at all, you should > check out Keith's presentation. Keith is a brilliant (and super nice) >guy, Keith McMillen also happens to be the guy who discovered Matthias Grob who was presenting the predecessor of the EDP (paradis LOOP delay) at the Frankfurter Musik Messe '93 which eventually led to the EDP. http://matthias.grob.org/pMusEng/loopdev.htm http://matthias.grob.org/pMusEng/Museng.htm http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/LoopDelay/paradis.html Bernhard http://nosuch.biz