Re: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota

["Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>]

Warren, you haven't fiddled with fiddle~ ? :)

Actually, I have to correct myself. I am using pitch~ for my pitch 
conversion, which as based on fiddle~. And I was a bit hard on myself 
given 
how decent it sounds. I'll send you the code after this. When I ran it 
through my delay and reverb, plus added some dry guitar signal, it sounds 
really close to the GR300....close enough for me in fact. Let me know what 
you think.

Kris

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Warren Sirota"

 Hi Kris,
>
> I haven't really played with fiddle~ much. I know that tone you're 
>talking
> about - there are probably some GR-300 enthusiasts around who have
> duplicated that patch, and could tell you all the parameters. You could
> probably find some useful results through Google.
>
> So fiddle~ isn't responding as you'd like? That's interesting info -
> pitch-to-MIDI isn't easy (in realtime) even for monophonic voices (and
> audio-to-amplitude, for the Velocity parameter of the midi note isn't 
>that
> easy either, but if you're making your own synth, then I think you're 
> better
> off controlling amplitude continuously from your guitar amplitude, rather
> than extracting an initial value to create a MIDI note-on message). I 
> assume
> you're trying to use this to analyze a monophonic playing style, not
> confusing fiddle with more than 1 note at a time.
>
> You might try putting filters and/or compressors in front of fiddle~. 
>Or, 
> if
> latency is an issue, you might try playing with synth sounds that have a
> somewhat slower attack - letting the guitar provide the initial attack 
>and
> then "backing it up" with a synth sound that comes in a tiny bit slower 
>is
> not a bad way to fudge the inherent latency in pitch extraction. Or, of
> course, you could use the pitch extracted to control something entirely
> different (though I'm sure this wasn't your original goal), like filter
> frequency.
>
> Warren
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
>> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:18 PM
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Subject: Re: New improv posted: Daryl Shawn and Warren Sirota
>>
>> > Interesting sounds, Warren! The non-guitar sounding parts, is that 
>> > your
>> > synth guitar? Guess you're playing with your custom built Max  looper?
>>
>> Speaking of the gtr synth, Warren. This is where I'd like to pick your
>> brain. I have this vision of creating a max/msp version of the old 
>Roland
>> GR-300 guitar synth...you know, the one that Metheny and Abercrobmie 
>used
>> to
>> us that has the really organic, and "grunty" violin/horn like sound to 
>> it.
>> I
>> think it is basically some sort of saw wav based synth, but with other
>> things added. I have the beginnings of the synth opearting in max now
>> (using
>> fiddle~ to convert my real time audio into frequency data for the synth
>> objects), but it is squirelly and out of control. The tone is getting
>> there,
>> though.
>>
>> Kris
>
>