Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments

["Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>]

Got it. Thanks! This is a good start.  So, if I were to create a simple 
list 
of functionality, which is all I was really after:

Record
Overdub/Stack (Boomerang like term?)
Multiply
Consolidate loops
Rewrite (like Substitute in Mobius/EDP?)
Loop save
Next Loop (is this your A->B?)
Audo-Fade
Clear Loop
Add (what is this?)
Mute

For the future, what about...

Reverse
Half Speed (pitch)
Double Speed (pitch)
Variable speed (via MIDI expression pedal)
Scripts/Function Chaining  (ability to chain functions together into a 
single button press)
Rate change
Random pitch change
Random shuffle (randomly select windows of a loop and play in a sequence)
VST hosting

If you can build all this stuff into future releases, and if I can re-wire 
with Max so I can run FlyLoops as a standalone, taking the ouput of 
max/msp), then you may have a new customer.

Kris



----- Original Message ----- 

Sure will ....

I actually just sent a rather overly detailed list to Rainer too ....  so
let me resurrect that ... I'll edit it down a bit for yah.

Second thought .....
No I won't ..... better idea is to let it stand, since others may have
useful input on the flyloops/mobius comparison.

By the way ... already got that degree ... and yes, it was mad fun .... one
needs some relief from the dry engineering classes ... and philosophy is
just the right stuff.

So here is that email ......
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I am certainly no mobius expert .. so perhaps you can help me through this.

Lets do this one item at a time:

INTERFACE / INTERACTION :
I know mobius can handle multiple loops in parallel, as can flyloops ... 
and
I think the approaches we use are somewhat similar ...

Screenshots:
Flyloops - www.flyloops.com/screenshot.jpg
Mobius - http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius

It looks like you can control various aspects of multiple loops at the same
time from either program .... by this I mean hit a couple pedals and tell
the program to turn certain loops on/off on the next repeat ... stack on a
certain loop (but not the others) .... then maybe tweek a knob on a midi
controller and change the volume or pan of one of your loops.

INITIAL LOOP:
Both flyloops and mobius (I think) get their timing from an intial recorded
loop ... the "master".  All others are synced to that, or not ... which
brings us to .....

SYNCING:
I am not sure what polyrythmic is on the looping comparison chart .. but I
bet we have the same idea here.  All loops in flyloops can be recorded as:

- full sync - meaning start/stop recording only at the masters loop 
boundary
.. so all loops start/stop with the master, and are a multiple of the 
master
loops length

- partial sync - start recording whenever I tap in, but when I tap out ..
wait until the loop is some multiple of the masters length ... so all loops
are a multiple of the length ... but will start/stop only at a particular
offset to the master.

- No sync - just start and stop when I tap ... so the loop can be any
length, and will not sync to the master.

I imagine it is the same in mobius .... ?

MASTER: switch which loop is master .. I am sure that mobius does this.

MIDI CONTROL:
I think they are comparable with this ... both programs have a wide variety
of functions that can be mapped to midi commands.

TEMPO/PITCH SHIFT:
I haven't programmed this yet... so currently there is no tempo or pitch
shifting (there use to be, when I used DirectX .. you'll notice in one of
the videos) ... but ASIO has no inherent support for this ... but this is
top of the list of things to get done.

TAP TEMPO:
Mobius does this ... Flyloops will, once pitch/tempo shift is complete.

VST:
Mobius blows me out of the water here ... flyloops cannot run as a VST
(yet).

GROUP LOOPING:
Can mobius specify which audio stream to record by device .. such as, when
receiving a certain command ... I record only the left audio source (which
happens to be, say, the drums) ... I sync it according to the sync setting

ADD/ MULTIPLY/ OVERWRITE: same, I think

STACK:  Flyloops lets you stack on loops individually ... with whatever
decay you wish ... I imagine mobius is the same.

CONSOLIDATE: consolidate loops ... select three and make them one.  I don’t
know if mobius does this .... ?

GROUPING:
Specify that loops 1,2 and 4 are in group I .... loop 5 is in group II, and
3 isnt in a group .... then change the volume for group I ... or the pan on
group II ..... or stutter the loops in group I ....
I imagine mobius can do this ... ?

EXTERNAL SYNCING:
flyloops doesn't do this ... though once it is rewire compatible it should
by able to sync to internal sources.  And .... you could set up an external
source to trigger the rec button ... so sync that way .... but you could 
NOT
track to an external drum machine as you changed tempo for example.

SAVING:
Flyloops can save in two way .... first, export the loops as wav files.
Also .. there is a record session button which records the performance ...
it records to two files ... one which is live input (The solos being 
played)
the other is flyloops output .. the loops (after volume, etc. adjustments).

I don’t know if mobius does this second one ... but it's a easy thing to 
add
if it doesn't.


Woooosh ..... long email ... I gotta get some food.

Did I miss anything?  Write back with questions if yah got em'.

Cheers
Aaron


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