Re: ReCycle, Loop Slicing, Looperlative.... (was: ReCycle, Loop Slicing, GURU)

[cpr@musetrap.com]

I believe both Bob and I have updates for the LP1 scramble functions on our
plate... 

peace
-cpr

Quoting Mech <mech@m3ch.net>:

> At 11:04 AM +0100 11/5/07, Per Boysen wrote:
> >>Jeffrey Larson wrote:
> >>>REX2 is a file format for storing "beat sliced" loops.  It has nothing
> >>>to do with pitch shifting.  Beat sliced loops can be played back with
> >>>special software to achieve a form of time stretch, changing the tempo
> >>>without changing the pitch.  Basically loops are cut up into multiple
> >>>"slices", typically with a slice for each beat or fraction of a beat.
> >>>To change the tempo, the playback software shifts each slice closer
> >>>together (to speed up) or farther apart (to slow down).  This works
> >>>well for percussive loops with obvious beats and slices carefully
> >>>designed so they don't cut off sustained notes.  It doesn't work well
> >>>for non-percussive loops such as a legato horn line.
> >
> >On 5 nov 2007, at 10.08, andy butler wrote:
> >>Sounds like a fantastic feature to put in a looper.
> >
> >Yes, I fully agree with that!
> 
> Me too!  I wonder if Bob and CPR have considered doing anything 
> similar to this with the Looperlative.  After all, the Scramble 
> function is already based in part on similar functionality.
> 
> With the LP-1's Scramble, the loop is divided up into a number of 
> "slices" which are then randomly reordered.  So the Looperlative can 
> already divide the loop up into chunks that can be manipulated.  For 
> REX-like functionality, you'd just need to insert a delay in-between 
> the playback of each of the slices (without re-ordering, of course; 
> or, well, I guess you could do both if you really wanted).
> 
> As always, the difficulty would be in the actual use, which is why, I 
> think, REX is almost always implemented as a studio (rather than 
> performance) tool.  Even with drumbeats, you'd have to play in an 
> extremely disciplined manner.  If you recorded, then sliced, a beat 
> with any tempo variation to it -- rushing or dragging to add feel -- 
> it wouldn't sync properly at the slice points.  You might end up with 
> a kick and half the snare in one slice, while the second half of the 
> snare continues in the next slice.
> 
> Still, I think you could do some really interesting things with 
> larger slices.  Think of a phrase made up of 8 evenly-spaced notes. 
> Slice the loop into four slices (two notes per slice), then delay 
> each slices playback by the equivalent of one note.  Now you've 
> instantly added a triplet or "three" feel to the loop, since the 
> phrase now consists of a series of two notes followed by a one note 
> rest.  I'm sure there are lotsa other fun things you could do with 
> the timing too (not to mention a possible solution for Per's eternal 
> quest to add subtle timing variations to a loop in realtime ;)
> 
> I wonder how much they've considered building on that functionality....
> 
>       --m.
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