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Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating
Richard very well put amn,thank you kindly for turning
me on this guy as well what a voice!
cheers
Luis
--- Richard Sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:
> As you may have noticed by my lack of emails, I'm
> trying to spend less
> time writing and doing email and more doing music
> and pursuing a
> sustainable life. But this is a great topic and I
> have a thought:
>
> If it works it works and if it doesn't it doesn't.
> Music isn't
> mathematics or something that can be codified at
> all. We ALL try to do
> it - to explain the inexplicable. I remember
> learning music theory in
> college and realizing this is what people who aren't
> standing in the
> river do. They describe the physics of swimming.
> But it's just what
> we do when the Muse isn't speaking to us. When She
> speaks, it doesn't
> matter if we're pre recorded, over or under dubbed,
> playing advanced
> guitar or primitive digiridoo or what. If the music
> speaks to the soul
> and smile etc of the listener (and, more importantly
> the artist) then
> we're all, to complete the metaphor, swimming home.
> Or maybe floating
> home.
>
> So the goal is to draw the listener into the water
> with us. For some
> it will be unrehearsed, totally spontaneous, never
> thought of before
> stuff and for some it will be completely ironed out
> highly polished
> diamonds. I'm guessing most all of us have done
> both.
>
> It's the spirit and inspiration that count. I and I
> don't think most
> listeners care HOW the music is made. Musicians of
> course do care but
> I still think that's describing swimming. And, as
> someone so wisely
> once said, "I don't think any one walks down the
> street whistling the
> sound of a $30,000 Telefunken mic."
>
> As someone wisely pointed out, even karaoke can turn
> some folks on.
> American Idle and all that. Not my cup of tea but
> I'm too busy to
> worry about that. We're all evolving at light speed
> and you gotta
> start somewhere!
>
> To me, really great music is nearly - no - TOTALLY
> impossible to
> describe or codify. I recently worked with a new
> very young artist who
> is dazzling good. His/our recordings just got a
> rave hot pick in Spin
> Magazine.
> http://www.spin.com/articles/catch-buzz-joe-pug
>
> What makes his music and lyrics stand out? I don't
> know. But I know
> it when I hear it. And the same applies to loops
> and loopers etc. I
> do have my fave loopers and their music has this
> mystery factor. I
> have my fave looper pundits and analysts and their
> minds and passion
> for purity etc is so fun and really inspiring to
> read. But that's
> concepts, and concepts can be crippling when it
> comes to art and
> (devil's advocate) concepts can be the key to the
> highway in art.
> Plenty artists in the 20s thru the 60s made a big
> splash with their
> culturally advanced minds as opposed to their fine
> art talents.
> Depends on the level of passion and timing etc.
> For the record, most
> conceptual art doesn't speak to me but that doesn't
> mean it's not
> wonderful etc. To me, it's intellect. That's
> something else.
>
> Music is like the spiritual world. The people who
> spend so much time
> trying to define God (or deny God's existence) are
> standing by the
> pool, in pressed slacks and wingtips, dry as a bone,
> pontificating on
> the people in the water. Of course God doesn't
> exist! Just like you
> can't codify what makes music some music great and
> some music great
> background stuff. The difference is intangible!
> But of course God
> exists. Just like some music just hits you in the
> face and knocks you
> down.
>
> If we really knew how it worked, it wouldn't work.
>
> So pre recorded or not doesn't matter to me. It's
> whether the music
> moves me, stops my mind dead in its tracks. I call
> it the God Moment.
> I think it was Thomas Aquinas who first pointed this
> out. When the
> mind stops, eternity touches the earth. If it stops
> long enough and
> for enough folks, history is made... Hendrix, Dylan,
> Robert Johnson,
> Beethoven, Beatles etc.
>
> After 40+ years of trying to figure out music and
> God, I'm realizing
> that it's all a mischievous paradox that teaches,
> humbles, mystifies
> and bamboozles us into pushing forward.
>
> For me, if it does that, it's real and it works.
> The core of the
> answer is a mystery. I really love how it humbles
> me.
>
> All I really know is, I like the feeling of water on
> my skin. I've
> dedicated my life to it. I don't get in the pool
> all that often, but
> when I do, all the sit ups and training suddenly
> seem worth it.
>
> So - here's hoping no one sees this as a dis. It
> isn't. It's the rant
> of a man who loves music and no longer knows why.
>
> richard sales
> glassWing farm and studio
> vancouver island, b.c.
> www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com
> www.hayleysales.com www.joannesales.com
> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
> www.broombusters.org
> On 16-May-08, at 5:57 AM,
> kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote:
>
> > Quoting Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>:
> >>
> >> Matt Davignon wrote:
> >> "Things that are not OK:
> >>
> > The OK/Not OK issue is a test that I apply only to
> myself. It occurs
> > to me that what I would consider "cheating" for me
> (a
> > composer/performer/improviser) would be "ok"
> within someone else's
> > artistic space.
> >
> > For every thing that I can think of that I
> personally wouldn't do,
> > there is at least one celebrated artist who has
> done those very
> > things.
> >
> > I have to conclude that the only thing that is not
> OK for me is to:
> > try to be someone that I'm not and/or try to be
> all things to all
> > people.
> >
> > Whether I happen to compose a work that uses my
> own pre-recorded
> > material or is entirely live, I simply do what is
> necessary for me to
> > realize the result that I want.
> >>
> >> John Foxx was really
> >> interested in emotions and lack of emotions:
> machines interacting
> >> with human
> >> beings.
> >>
> > Yes! Yes! Often when I perform a work, I look for
> a crescendo of
> > emotion the same as I look for dynamic, tempo,
> texture, and rhythmic
> > changes.
> >
> > Often times, there is more excitement and tension
> from "holding back"
> > than from "giving 100% emotion 100% of the time".
> >>
> >> To me, the artificial was far more exotic and
> enticing.
>
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