Re: is live looping only a one man band playing technique?

[Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>]

I think most music is more interesting, both to play and listen to others playing, if more than one musician is playing together. We did that in Florence as the looping festival's grand finale and it was great fun, but with ten people on stage there is not much room for each one to also create loops ;-)) 

Playing a solo piece and playing as part of an ensemble may require quite different ways of using your brain and focusing your attention and creativity. For a musician that has learned to play by himself it may be a quite big step to jump out and play in a group setting. I think this might give some background to the fact you are pointing at; that quite a lot of live loopers prefer to play solo pieces. It's also important to not forget that we all have different attitudes towards the act of playing music. Some folks play music because they enjoy the control aspect in creating beauty while others play for the love of destruction and the "fresh new unknown" that is born out of chaos. These two musician types together won't make a band tic, looping or not ;-)

I'd say that the choice is yours! If you play at a festival you may ask the person playing before or after your set if you could possibly overlap your sets by ten minutes and play together for a while. 

When discussing live looping in group the issue of "sync" is often brought up. My experience is that sync is not very important. A few times I've played with brother synced EDP's together with other musicians and that was really cool - for example, SUS Substitute stuff lining up on a grid much quick than you can do on one EDP. But I also think it's really cool to not sync your individual loopers but constantly stay on your toes  and change your loop as soon as it starts sounding bad together with what the other musicians are doing. If everyone in a looping band stands on-the-toes-of-his-ears (jeez, can one put it that way? I'm not native English speaker) the music that comes out may become quite interesting. 

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen 
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Massimo Liverani <liverani@het.it> wrote:

Yes very interesting instrument Per, but i noticed a curiuos tendence to exibit in this forum instruments
that are intended to make play many istruments together by one musician (one man band playing istruments)
in this case is fr bass + guitar etc etc. I think is for the tendence that live loopers have to play alone.
So i sincerily don't' like to play alone, although sometimes i do, but many times I use Live looping
techniques together with other musicians.
This give me the occasion to open a little forum on your experiences  and your opinions:
is live looping only a one man band playing technique?
thanks
greetings from Florence!
Max Liver

Per Boysen ha scritto:

If I could afford it I would buy an NS/Stick half fretless right away.
That's the instrument of my dreams (and has been quite a long time
even before it was invented)! It has eight strings and the fretboard
divided into two sections: four fretless bass strings and four fretted
drop-B strings. This collaboration between Steinberg and Chapman
Enterprises seems to be the ultimate marriage of tapping, plucking,
fretless and regular guitar technique playing. I'm not too bothered
that there are only eight strings because the two sides overlap a bit
in note span and thanks to that you will be able to play a lot of
closely voiced chords that are difficult on a regular guitar. I have
built "no cost" fretless and drop-B solutions here from old electric
guitars of mine, but having it all-in-one would be so much better.
Especially as the stick comes with two separated mic outputs making it
possible to treat each side of the fretboard with different effects,
loopers etc. Thinking about what can be achieved in ways of musical
expression with that multi technique instrument is exciting! I hope I
will get a chance one day to start exploring this instrument.

http://www.stick.com/news/halffretless_ns.html

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com



On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
  

some years ago i switched from a grand stick to a 8 strings warr guitar. 12
strings were too much for this lazy brain i have :-) visibility of neck
improves too ... although i try to avoid it as much as possible.

2009/10/13 richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>
    

i owned a stick back around 1981.... sold it.  Kinda sorry I did.  But it
was just one more thing I had to learn.
I love what Tony Levin does with it.
r
On Oct 12, 2009, at 4:25 PM, eterogeneo wrote:

Thanks Richard, I did it last year: the previous flash based one is still
on line (you'll find it in the link page), but it wasn't not easy to update,
so I moved to html. I did it entirely with iWeb.

...what about the stick ?
Fabio
www.eterogeneo.com


Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 23.03, richard sales
<richard@glasswing.com> ha scritto:

fabio,
did you re do your site recently?  Looks great
R
richard sales
www.glasswing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com
On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:04 PM, eterogeneo wrote:

What exactly do you hate about the Stick ?


Fabio
www.eterogeneo.com


Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 21.38, tim echols <eekamouse67@yahoo.com>
ha scritto:

it looks like it solves everything i hate about the stick. (there, i said
it!)  start single, go double, with a looper, and all you would need to
import are the percussive elements.  and, you get a really nice lapsteel to
boot!!!

time

Mon, 10/12/09, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: Kelstone

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 1:20 PM

it looks & sounds like a stick with

passive electronics. considering the prices the tapping

instruments cost, the kelston is no so expensive.

2009/10/12 richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>

it doesn't look dreadfully

hard - here's a basic instructional

http://www.kelstone.be/library

richard

sales

www.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com

www.hayleysales.com


On Oct 12, 2009, at

4:59 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:

Hi Eric,

I like the Kelstone as a concept and I'm curious how it

sounds and how

easy it is to play compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, it

looks like

an instrument with a lot of potential. http://www.kelstone.be/

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