Re: AW: Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for looping.

["L.Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>]

Mark,
i had the Motu for a while and though the mixer is flexible i found it 
very tedious manually though through the software is obviously the way to 
do it.Some things i just prefer to do manually!
syncing mobious and the adrenalinn and sending program changes to it with 
my FCB1010 was however a nightmare,as soon as i started doing midi sync 
stuff i just could not get it to work right,my presonus works flawless and 
is way cheaper!
then again try it and tell us your results
cheers
Luis
www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


--- mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> schrieb am Mi, 14.10.2009:

> Von: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
> Betreff: Re: AW: Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for looping.
> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Datum: Mittwoch, 14. Oktober 2009, 11:17
> Further to this 1U discussion, has anyone
> tried the Motu Traveller as a loopers mixer? It seems to be
> very interesting... but i dont have one, but am thinking
> about it ... alot....
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> http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun05/articles/motutraveler.htm
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> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:16 PM,
> andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
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> hi Luis, (and loopers everywhere suffereing the "mixer
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> I had a really good look at the Alesis 8Line.
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> The chips used are the cheapest op amps available for
> audio.
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> The construction is good enough, but not better than
> Behringer
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> ( held together by self tap screws).
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> The "tech support" on the website never replies
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> As it's a line mixer though, the cheap chips only have
> to do  1:1 amplification, which means the sound quality
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> I wouldn't consider it for studio use, but for live
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> going to scrape by.
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> As for noise levels...less than the EDPs.
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> I was able to successfully mod the 8Line so that the mic
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> one other, are sent to the FX send without going to the
> main mix.
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> That's a very easy hack to do which makes the mixer
> loop friendly,
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> just clipping a few wires. (plus of course the 3 days to
> work out
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> which wires to clip because Alesis won't provide
> docs).
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> I also added switches for that, which is a bit harder, but
> allows a bit of flexibility.
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> I reckon it wouldn't be hard to do other mods to the
> 8Line, luike re=routing
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> I don't know the Rolls stuff at all, don't even
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> ...but I mailed their tech support to test them out on your
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> Anyway, those 2 mixers have very different feature lists,
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> surely that's the first consideration?
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> hey Andy,
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> Still investigating this.
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> Which one do you think is better in terms of sound quality
> between this and the Rolls RM 65B?
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> specs here for both
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> http://www.rolls.com/pdf/DS_RM65.pdf
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> http://www.alesis.com/multimix8line
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> Is this the ideal small mixer we've
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> Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for looping.
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> http://www.alesis.com/multimix8line.
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> Feature list and mini review.
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> features
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> All connections on 1/4 unbalanced jacks unless otherwise
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> 8 stereo/mono input channels,  vol, balance, fx send
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> *Stereo* FX send ( works with channel pan/balance, for
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> stereo FX return (with vol control)
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> Channel 1 switches to a mono microphone input, XLR, no
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> phantom.
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> Main outs on balanced jacks with master vol.
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> ..and some additional connections on *stereo* 1/4 in jacks
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> Monitor out...after master vol
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> Mix out ...before master vol
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> Input to main bus.
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> Input to fx bus.
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> 1) stereo fx bus....that's very useful
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> 2) seems well built, and sounds ok. Not noisy.
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> 3) none of the controls has a 0dB calibration, which makes
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>  stuff often has this). Not really a problem.
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> 4) the mic input sounds good enough for live work with
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> full range response. Not for studio though, there's
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>  a distinctive quality/color to the transient response,
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> no 48V.
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> 5) Mic pre-amp doesn't have an insert, and there's
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> to make fx send pre fade. In simple terms
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>   this means you can't EQ the mic, or compress it.
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> (and can't use my Vortex patches!)
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> 6) the additional connectors  available give some
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> scope for  extra routing, as long as you
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>    don't mind using Y-cables.
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> 7) neither of the 2 additional outputs has an independent
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> vol control, (such as would be useful for
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>   sending to Zoom H2 for recording)
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> 8) there's no mixer schematic in the manual, it's
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>   when you rack the unit you no longer have the
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> schematic which is the only way to see
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>   the mixer features at a glance.
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> 9) Balanced outs means that you only need a couple of jack
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> to XLR converters and
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>   you're able to say " I have my own DI box"
> to any
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> sound engineer you encounter when playing live.
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>   This reduces their anxiety about how to deal with
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> your complex setup to zero.
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> 10) no official way to make sends pre-fade, which would
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> make the unit much more usable.
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> Conclusion
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> Very nearly a neat way to route your looping gear, and add
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> a microphone
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> If you don't need to use the mic-pre there's no
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> points to the mixer,
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> apart from lack of pre-fade sends.
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> Sound quality is easily good enough for live work.
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> Big disappointment is the implementation of the mic input.
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> eq the mic, so unless you want a flat response, and have a
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> dynamic mic that
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> will give that you can't really this mixer. Using with
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> So, probably ok for announcements that no-one understands.
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> I'm ok, I have a Sennheiser 421 which works very well
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> feeding assorted
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> acoustic sounds into the loops (on the fx send), but those
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> Generally, anyone looking to add a mic to their setup ( or
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> to remove a mic-pre
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> to save weight/space) is going to be frustrated.
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> Further investigation.
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> It must be possible to mod this unit so that there's a
> way
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> to eq( or Vortex)  the mic.
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> I emailed Alesis tech support, US *and* UK and was sent a
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