Re: AW: Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for looping.

["L.Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>]

cool man,so what do you have on your rack?

right now i just have one EDP and the Rolls mixer in a 2 space rack but 
since i recently got a second EDP looks like my rack is going to get 
bigger(oh lord here we go again...)
for the rack stuff i am thinking of getting a rackmount power supply to 
conect all the stuff,the drawback is that it takes a 1u. space,the way i 
have everything plugged in the back right now plus stuffing the cables is  
messy,i wish there was a halfrack because i dont need so many plugs...then 
have another half rack reverb fx proccesor to have the main outs of the 
mixer go through just for post proccesing or for a simple natural reverb 
trail when i stop the loops.
on my pedalboard i have now a digitech Vocalist live 2,line 6 M9,boss OC-3 
and the Adrenalinn III which i slave to the EDP and also sends a midi 
clock to the M9 for delay syncronization.Pretty happy so far,though id 
like to get a smaller midi controller than the FCB1010, like the Liquid 
foot Jr.check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwVy_nS87zo&feature=related

it would sit better on my pedalboard than the gordius little giant,it 
seems it can control the EDP just as well.Then i can  have it all on a 
pedalboard,but then i still have to find an AC DC power brick that would 
power all the stuff so i can get finally get rid of all those anoying 
power supplies!

www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


--- mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> schrieb am Do, 15.10.2009:

> Von: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
> Betreff: Re: AW: Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for looping.
> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Datum: Donnerstag, 15. Oktober 2009, 0:11
> Thanks Luis... that exact thing was what i
> was worried about... right now i have the cheap behringer
> 1U.. and i dont actually have any problems with it, just
> that i was interested in being able to make my own signal
> chain, of auxes and channels, and then save it to the box,
> so the software DIDNT have to come too... live I dont take a
> computer...
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> But ease of use under stress, is very important to me, and
> right now, a complete rewire of my gear is just as easy of
> moving 2 patch cables in my patch bay so... maybe I stay
> with this lo tech, hissy, buzzy and distorted set up...
> maybe i cant blame the hiss or distortion on the behringer
> anyway, but the edps... and the operator of course!
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> M
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> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:03 AM,
> L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com>
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> Mark,
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> i had the Motu for a while and though the mixer is flexible
> i found it very tedious manually though through the software
> is obviously the way to do it.Some things i just prefer to
> do manually!
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> syncing mobious and the adrenalinn and sending program
> changes to it with my FCB1010 was however a nightmare,as
> soon as i started doing midi sync stuff i just could not get
> it to work right,my presonus works flawless and is way
> cheaper!
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> then again try it and tell us your results
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> cheers
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> Luis
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> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
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> --- mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
> schrieb am Mi, 14.10.2009:
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> > Von: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
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> > Betreff: Re: AW: Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for
> looping.
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> > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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> > Datum: Mittwoch, 14. Oktober 2009, 11:17
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> > Further to this 1U discussion, has anyone
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> > tried the Motu Traveller as a loopers mixer? It
> seems to be
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> > very interesting... but i dont have one, but am
> thinking
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> > about it ... alot....
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> > http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun05/articles/motutraveler.htm
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> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:16 PM,
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> > andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
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> > hi Luis, (and loopers everywhere suffereing the
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> > The construction is good enough, but not better than
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> > The "tech support" on the website never
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> > As it's a line mixer though, the cheap chips only
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> > to do  1:1 amplification, which means the sound
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> > I wouldn't consider it for studio use, but for
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> > As for noise levels...less than the EDPs.
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> > I was able to successfully mod the 8Line so that the
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> > That's a very easy hack to do which makes the
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> > just clipping a few wires. (plus of course the 3 days
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> > I also added switches for that, which is a bit harder,
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> > I reckon it wouldn't be hard to do other mods to
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> > I don't know the Rolls stuff at all, don't
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> > ...but I mailed their tech support to test them out on
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> > L.Angulo wrote:
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> > hey Andy,
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> > Still investigating this.
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> > Which one do you think is better in terms of sound
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> > Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for looping.
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> > http://www.alesis.com/multimix8line.
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> > All connections on 1/4 unbalanced jacks unless
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> > 8 stereo/mono input channels,  vol, balance, fx send
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> > *Stereo* FX send ( works with channel pan/balance,
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> > Channel 1 switches to a mono microphone input, XLR,
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> > Main outs on balanced jacks with master vol.
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> > Monitor out...after master vol
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> > 7) neither of the 2 additional outputs has an
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> > vol control, (such as would be useful for
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> >   sending to Zoom H2 for recording)
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> > 8) there's no mixer schematic in the manual,
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> >   when you rack the unit you no longer have the
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> > 9) Balanced outs means that you only need a couple of
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> > to XLR converters and
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> >   you're able to say " I have my own DI
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> >   This reduces their anxiety about how to deal with
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> > your complex setup to zero.
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> > 10) no official way to make sends pre-fade, which
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> > Conclusion
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> > Very nearly a neat way to route your looping gear, and
> add
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> > a microphone
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> > If you don't need to use the mic-pre there's
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> > points to the mixer,
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> > Sound quality is easily good enough for live work.
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> > Big disappointment is the implementation of the mic
> input.
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> > There's no way to
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> > eq the mic, so unless you want a flat response, and
> have a
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> > dynamic mic that
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> > will give that you can't really this mixer. Using
> with
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> > an
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> > SM58, for instance, will
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> > just give you that unclear boxy sound which is
> normally
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> > So, probably ok for announcements that no-one
> understands.
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> > I'm ok, I have a Sennheiser 421 which works very
> well
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> > feeding assorted
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> > acoustic sounds into the loops (on the fx send), but
> those
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> > Generally, anyone looking to add a mic to their setup
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> > to save weight/space) is going to be frustrated.
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> > Further investigation.
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> > It must be possible to mod this unit so that
> there's a
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> > to eq( or Vortex)  the mic.
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> > but no service sheet available.
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> > I emailed Alesis tech support, US *and* UK and was
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