Re: introduction

[Nadia Salom <nadia.salom@gmx.de>]

Wow, thank you Mr. Boysen so much for the extensive email. It is 
incredibly informative. I have done 3-4 performances already and have 
only used Ableton without an extra loop plug in. I just routed the many 
tracks into one where I placed some effects, and then toggled the 
different tracks on or off...w/ the mapped out keyboard, or with the 
mouse... it was a bit cumbersome. I would set the length for my MIDI 
loops which I would record live, but for the Audio tracks, I couldn't 
figure how to do that. So I just let my own intuition decided when the 
loop was over. It seemed to work very well. It had a bit of a ethereal 
and random effect.
The more I get aware of the different techniques the better. I am using 
Ableton 6 so I might be forced try the Mobius plugin. I really want to 
start switching from different loops, to provide for some variation.
@Florian and @Warren
The link I sent was just audio. I also have a video of one performance I 
did. Unfortunately the camera is shaking because my daughter decided to 
get creative while filming...There is also another video...

Here is the link: http://www.ubetoo.com/nirmala07/18737

I hope it works.

Thanks for listening
best wishes
nadia

Per Boysen schrieb:
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Nadia Salom <nadia.salom@gmx.de 
> <mailto:nadia.salom@gmx.de>> wrote:
>
>     I have recently discovered the potential of live looping as a
>     means of realtime composition. And am interested learning about
>     all this technique especially regarding the use of Ableton, (which
>     still gives me a bit of a headache.)Since I always worked very
>     intuitively live looping seems to be the best way to still keep
>     accessing the full potential of the moment and still orchestrate
>     many instruments.
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> And welcome to this list!  :-) 
>
> Since you have Ableton Live you can start with the Live plugin Looper 
> (new with Live 8.0). Here comes the first choice in live looping 
> technique: Do you want to set the tempo for Live by starting with 
> creating a loop with your mic/instrument input? Or do you want to 
> first start Live and listen for the tempo to play in before starting 
> to layer audio in the Looper plugin? These are two very different 
> approaches. Personally I only use the first one - where you create the 
> first loop and set the tempo for all electronics based on your playing 
> - and I can't really say much about the other method except that it 
> works more like usual multi track recording. You have to make a 
> setting in Live's Looper plugin in order to extract the tempo and set 
> it for the application. Play around with one loop and learn to kick 
> the Looper plugin into Overdub Mode and layer audio while you control 
> its Feedback (how much of old layers that will be fed back into the 
> loop) by a pedal or fader. Learn tricks like overdubbing one rhythm 
> with voice/instrument while pumping a counter rhythm with the feedback 
> pedal foot to change the background layers. This very simply setup can 
> be taken quite far in musical terms.
>
> Second step in looping technique could be to use two parallel loops. 
> This can be done by opening a second Looper plugin on a second track. 
> If you did set the first one to pick up the tempo for Live you should 
> set this second looper to slave to this, Live's, tempo.
>
> As the third step I'd like to see the technique of layering a long 
> recording over the span of a couple of loop repeats. This action is 
> called "Multiply" and is not supported by the plugin Looper in Live. 
> My favorite looper plugin that supports Multiply is Mobius. Create 
> your first loop, make a couple of overdubs and then chose Multiply and 
> play/sing a line that evolves while your old loop is being repeated in 
> the background. The Multiply action keeps layering your input input 
> and making the loop longer until you chose Multiply a second time.
>
> A fourth technique may be to switch loop. Live's Looper doesn't 
> support that, but with Mobius you give a command named "Next Loop" 
> what happens then is that the recent loop stops playing and a new one 
> is starting to be created by your audio input. But maybe you want to 
> do this jumping between alternative loops on a parallel loop, so you 
> can always hear what you recorded in the first loop? A typical 
> performance scenario could then be:
>
> 1. Create a rhythm pattern as the first loop.
> 2. Layer a variation or fill into this first loop.
> 3. Select a new track and create a new loop in parallel with more 
> tonal material. This could be "intro" or "verse".
> 4. While still working on track 2 go Next Loop and create "verse 2" 
> (rhythm on track 1/Loop 1 will be heard constantly)
>
> I think this is a much anyone can say about "looping technique". The 
> rest is up to you and depends on what music you want to create. You 
> have to think about what parts of the music that will be repeated in 
> shorter loops and crate those parts early before multiplying. You may 
> also want to make loops of different lengths to create rhythmic 
> variation as they glide in and out of beat matching, overdubbing one 
> layer in reverse mode or substituting short slices of the loop with 
> new input.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se <http://www.boysen.se>
> www.perboysen.com <http://www.perboysen.com>
>
>
>


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Nadia Salom
http://www.nirmala07.net