Re: introduction

["L.Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>]

Hi Nadia,
id say try Mobius first by itself,ive been doing my late looping with it 
thoguh never tried it as a plugin within a prgram, to me it seems a great 
choice if u want to do the "open canvas looping" for pre-arranged looping 
Ableton might be just what you need
cheers and welcome to the machine!

www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


--- Nadia Salom <nadia.salom@gmx.de> schrieb am Fr, 30.10.2009:

> Von: Nadia Salom <nadia.salom@gmx.de>
> Betreff: Re: introduction
> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Datum: Freitag, 30. Oktober 2009, 15:07
> Wow, thank you Mr. Boysen so much for
> the extensive email. It is incredibly informative. I have
> done 3-4 performances already and have only used Ableton
> without an extra loop plug in. I just routed the many tracks
> into one where I placed some effects, and then toggled the
> different tracks on or off...w/ the mapped out keyboard, or
> with the mouse... it was a bit cumbersome. I would set the
> length for my MIDI loops which I would record live, but for
> the Audio tracks, I couldn't figure how to do that. So I
> just let my own intuition decided when the loop was over. It
> seemed to work very well. It had a bit of a ethereal and
> random effect.
> The more I get aware of the different techniques the
> better. I am using Ableton 6 so I might be forced try the
> Mobius plugin. I really want to start switching from
> different loops, to provide for some variation.
> @Florian and @Warren
> The link I sent was just audio. I also have a video of one
> performance I did. Unfortunately the camera is shaking
> because my daughter decided to get creative while
> filming...There is also another video...
> 
> Here is the link: http://www.ubetoo.com/nirmala07/18737
> 
> I hope it works.
> 
> Thanks for listening
> best wishes
> nadia
> 
> Per Boysen schrieb:
> > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Nadia Salom <nadia.salom@gmx.de
> <mailto:nadia.salom@gmx.de>>
> wrote:
> > 
> >     I have recently discovered the
> potential of live looping as a
> >     means of realtime composition.
> And am interested learning about
> >     all this technique especially
> regarding the use of Ableton, (which
> >     still gives me a bit of a
> headache.)Since I always worked very
> >     intuitively live looping seems
> to be the best way to still keep
> >     accessing the full potential
> of the moment and still orchestrate
> >     many instruments.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > And welcome to this list!  :-) 
> > Since you have Ableton Live you can start with the
> Live plugin Looper (new with Live 8.0). Here comes the first
> choice in live looping technique: Do you want to set the
> tempo for Live by starting with creating a loop with your
> mic/instrument input? Or do you want to first start Live and
> listen for the tempo to play in before starting to layer
> audio in the Looper plugin? These are two very different
> approaches. Personally I only use the first one - where you
> create the first loop and set the tempo for all electronics
> based on your playing - and I can't really say much about
> the other method except that it works more like usual multi
> track recording. You have to make a setting in Live's Looper
> plugin in order to extract the tempo and set it for the
> application. Play around with one loop and learn to kick the
> Looper plugin into Overdub Mode and layer audio while you
> control its Feedback (how much of old layers that will be
> fed back into the loop) by a pedal or fader. Learn tricks
> like overdubbing one rhythm with voice/instrument while
> pumping a counter rhythm with the feedback pedal foot to
> change the background layers. This very simply setup can be
> taken quite far in musical terms.
> > 
> > Second step in looping technique could be to use two
> parallel loops. This can be done by opening a second Looper
> plugin on a second track. If you did set the first one to
> pick up the tempo for Live you should set this second looper
> to slave to this, Live's, tempo.
> > 
> > As the third step I'd like to see the technique of
> layering a long recording over the span of a couple of loop
> repeats. This action is called "Multiply" and is not
> supported by the plugin Looper in Live. My favorite looper
> plugin that supports Multiply is Mobius. Create your first
> loop, make a couple of overdubs and then chose Multiply and
> play/sing a line that evolves while your old loop is being
> repeated in the background. The Multiply action keeps
> layering your input input and making the loop longer until
> you chose Multiply a second time.
> > 
> > A fourth technique may be to switch loop. Live's
> Looper doesn't support that, but with Mobius you give a
> command named "Next Loop" what happens then is that the
> recent loop stops playing and a new one is starting to be
> created by your audio input. But maybe you want to do this
> jumping between alternative loops on a parallel loop, so you
> can always hear what you recorded in the first loop? A
> typical performance scenario could then be:
> > 
> > 1. Create a rhythm pattern as the first loop.
> > 2. Layer a variation or fill into this first loop.
> > 3. Select a new track and create a new loop in
> parallel with more tonal material. This could be "intro" or
> "verse".
> > 4. While still working on track 2 go Next Loop and
> create "verse 2" (rhythm on track 1/Loop 1 will be heard
> constantly)
> > 
> > I think this is a much anyone can say about "looping
> technique". The rest is up to you and depends on what music
> you want to create. You have to think about what parts of
> the music that will be repeated in shorter loops and crate
> those parts early before multiplying. You may also want to
> make loops of different lengths to create rhythmic variation
> as they glide in and out of beat matching, overdubbing one
> layer in reverse mode or substituting short slices of the
> loop with new input.
> > 
> > Greetings from Sweden
> > 
> > Per Boysen
> > www.boysen.se <http://www.boysen.se>
> > www.perboysen.com <http://www.perboysen.com>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> -- Nadia Salom
> http://www.nirmala07.net
> 
>