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Re: programing liquid foot jr. midi footcontroller with EDP help!


> You'll have to re-program everything to CC , but I think
> it'll
> work.

Hi Andy,
Im testing the EDP first direct midi function called SUSRecord  note 
number 50 (36 + 14)
and it does somehow respond but it erases the loop and then there is a dot 
next to the loop number on the EDP screen and all the parameter buttons 
are green,any idea what that means?

> 
> The Liquid actually has a parameter to stop it responding
> "too fast".
> That's why you miss some button presses.
> "Button Delay", p67 in the manual should fix this.

unfortunately it doesnt,thats the first thing i set when i got it,in fact 
i have it to the lowest setting and it still happens,everything else gets 
faster thoguh like scrolling through banks etc.
> 
> Personally, I'd wanna check the latency on the buttons,
> latency
> tends to creep up as features are added, sometimes no-one
> notices.

yes that would be great but how can this be done??

> When I first got the Gordius it had a problem in this
> respect..
> ...Xavier fixed it pretty quickly.
> 
> You should ask that the firmware be updated to handle
> simple
> Note-On/Note-Off,.....essential if you want to use it to
> play synth notes.
> 
> Sometimes hardware creators only imagine their devices
> being used for certain tasks. You don't need Note-on
> to control a guitar rig, so the feature perhaps never got
> tested.
> That's why it's important for users to feedback about
> their
> experiences.. a good manufacturer will take it very
> seriously.
> 
> Is there a "liquid Foot" forum? or a Yahoo Group? ...there
> should be.
> andy 


Yes,ive been posting like crazy but hardly any responses,i dont think 
anybody is trying to do what im trying,as you say probably most are just 
sending PCs and CCs with it and it seems very geared towards the AXE FX 
which in fact also has a looper.
I love the design of the unit though,it sits perfect on my pedalboard and 
the screen is beautiful,i just wish i had your midi knowledge to tell him 
what needs to be corrected because i dont think he knows the EDP at all...
cheers
Luis



> 

> 
> 
> L.Angulo wrote:
> > ok,so the EDP will accept CCs to tirgger the direct
> Sus comands,right?
> > i did everything just using notes... i hope it does!
> > Luis
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> Another option is to try CC commands instead.
> >> The liquid certainly seems to have a "momentary"
> >> option for those, designed to keep an effect
> switched
> >> on while you hold the switch down.
> >> 
> >> page 64 in the manual (and maybe some earlier
> pages)
> >> tells how you can just program in a CC value (same
> as EDP
> >> note number)
> >> and have the switch send 127 on that CC on press,
> and 0 on
> >> release.
> >> 
> >> hope you get looping,soon
> >> 
> >> andy
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> L.Angulo wrote:
> >>>> But as i said its only working for the
> virtual
> >> comands
> >>>> and not the direct midi ones and is
> driving me
> >> crazy!
> >>>> huh, 62 General reset *is* a Direct Midi.
> >>>> ..and that's a "voila"
> >>> Hi Andy im still having problems with this and
> i dont
> >> know if its me or the controller but i need to
> know
> >> otherwise i think im going to return it.
> >>> heres the deal,why is it that the behringer
> functions
> >> perfectly and this one doesnt? on the behringer i
> just give
> >> the note number regardless if its a virtual midi
> or direct
> >> midi and it works!
> >>> with the liquid foot only the virtual ones
> work but i
> >> cannot get "general reset" (62) or any of the
> other ones to
> >> work! ive tried everything,setting the switch
> >> momentary,stomp tap tempo etc.
> >>>> Is it possible that you mean other Direct
> Midi's
> >> aren't
> >>>> working?
> >>>> If they were SUS commands then that makes
> sense,
> >> and ties
> >>>> in with
> >>>> your observation that longpress on Record
> (to give
> >> Reset)
> >>>> isn't working. 
> >>>   all im entering is the note
> number and the data value
> >> of 127 and nothing else!
> >>> But i have discovered something:
> >>> when i reset the echoplex by holding and
> pressing the
> >> record button ,then when i send the general reset
> comand
> >> from the liquid foot it seems to triger it,but
> then when i
> >> use the record button it doesnt work anymore!it
> also seems
> >> to put the edp in a weird mode,that is when i try
> to reset
> >> it by holding and pressing th record button it
> seems as if
> >> it was locked and then i press it a second time
> and it
> >> resets,any ideas? ive been even thinking of
> sending it to
> >> you so you can check it out but i dont know if
> that would be
> >> ok with you,plus you could do a comparison between
> the
> >> gordius and this one;-)
> >>> thanx for your always great help man i really
> >> apreciate it!
> >>> 
> >>>> My guess is that your controller is
> sending
> >>>> Note-On/Note-Off pairs on
> >>>> pressing the switch, not waiting for you
> to
> >> release it
> >>>> before sending the Note-Off.
> >>>> 
> >>>> So, the Direct Midi SUS commands will not
> be
> >> audible.
> >>>> (e.g. SUS Reverse would reverse for such a
> small
> >> time that
> >>>> you wouldn't perceive it)
> >>>>   
> >>>> I had a look at the manual for your
> controller,
> >> it
> >>>> describes a number
> >>>> of "button modes".
> >>>> One of those is "Momentary while Holding"
> >>>> ....that's what you want.
> >>>> (or whatever causes the Note-Off to be
> sent as
> >> you
> >>>> *release* the switch)
> >>> tried that but nothing either...
> >>>> hope that helps
> >>>> 
> >>>> andy
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> andy
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> cheers
> >>>>>>> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> --- andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
> >>>>>> schrieb am Mo, 23.11.2009:
> >>>>>>>> Von: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
> >>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: programing
> liquid
> >> foot jr.
> >>>> midi
> >>>>>> footcontroller with EDP help!
> >>>>>>>> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >>>>>>>> Datum: Montag, 23.
> November 2009,
> >> 10:46
> >>>>>>>> what Per said for the
> DirectMidi.
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> They only require Note-On
> (except
> >> for
> >>>> SUS)
> >>>>>>>> To get the longpress(to
> make reset
> >> work)
> >>>> I'd try
> >>>>>> changing
> >>>>>>>> the Button Mode to
> "Momentary
> >> while
> >>>> Holding".
> >>>>>>>> I don't understand where
> you
> >> entered
> >>>> "64".
> >>>>>>>> andy
> >>>>>>>> L.Angulo wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> hi gang,
> >>>>>>>>> i just got the litte
> liquid
> >> foot midi
> >>>>>> controller and
> >>>>>>>> im having a hard time
> controlling
> >> the EDP
> >>>> as i did
> >>>>>> with the
> >>>>>>>> behringer.
> >>>>>>>>> So far ive manage to
> program
> >> the
> >>>> virtual
> >>>>>> functions
> >>>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>>> record
> >>>>>>>>> overdub
> >>>>>>>>> multiply
> >>>>>>>>> mute
> >>>>>>>>> undo
> >>>>>>>>> next
> >>>>>>>>> reverse
> >>>>>>>>> half speed
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> the way i have to do
> this is
> >> giving
> >>>> the "note
> >>>>>> on"
> >>>>>>>> offset number and a value
> of 64
> >> and it
> >>>> works
> >>>>>> fine.
> >>>>>>>>> However when i try to
> program
> >> any of
> >>>> the e
> >>>>>> DirectMidi
> >>>>>>>> functions it does not
> respond at
> >> all,do i
> >>>> have to
> >>>>>> send
> >>>>>>>> additional comands for
> them to
> >> function? i
> >>>> recall
> >>>>>> on the
> >>>>>>>> behringer fcb1010 i just
> gave the
> >> note
> >>>> number and
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>> worked.
> >>>>>>>>> The otherr thing that
> is not
> >> working
> >>>> is
> >>>>>> erasing the
> >>>>>>>> loop by holding and
> pressing the
> >> record
> >>>> button.
> >>>>>>>>> Anyway if u midi
> experts could
> >> take a
> >>>> little
> >>>>>> time to
> >>>>>>>> help me id be really
> thankfull!
> >>>>>>>>> here is the liquid
> foot jr
> >> manual:
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.liquid-foot.com/downloads.shtml
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Thanx
> >>>>>>>>> cheers
> >>>>>>>>>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> 
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