Loopers, I just wanted to thank everyone for the help over the last year. I've learned alot from just lurking and asking the occasional questions. I would also like to thank Luca from Italy for sending me that EDP manual. Here is loop I did after sorting through some old family video. It is through my EDP. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vEzb0TzvOY Thanks Todd Chambeau