Mark sprach:Isnt that Fireworlds (of which Bill spoke) patch a bit EclipsishPer sprach: Yes, I definitely agree to that! I do remember that preset, a harmonizer set to a fourth or a fifth up with a feedback loop that makes sound climb upwards with each loop. I overdosed this in the eighties and that sound still gives me unpleasant flashbacks. Yuk. ;-)) Funny Per, I feel that way about most envelope followers and filters, though I've been getting in to formant filters as of late. I do occasionally use a triggered wah sound,though its eq'd really dark with very little opening of the filter. That funky wow wow sound reminds me of the 70's and 80's and not in a good way, in a bad haircut band with silly name kind of way, and I play in a funk band on a regular basis!!. I don't even own a wah pedal right now though I'm looking for one that has really wide sweep, doesn't add gain and distortion and responds more like a clean synth filter. I might have to break down and buy a moog filter with an expression port instead. I understand what you are saying though as both that string patch effect that the space station is famous for and the whammy effect have been done to death. However someone can always come along and do something fresh with these effects. I've modified this patch so much that it doesn't resemble the original Fireworlds patch much at all. actually I have three patches with variations, As i mentioned before I sync both the two pitch shifts and the tap delay (which has been edited from 6 taps to two taps simply by turning down they other taps), to the clock from my Looperlative. I like using 1/4 note against dotted 1/8 ths and 1/2 notes against dotted 1/4 notes depending on the length of my first loop which determines the tempo sent to the Fireworx. I like octaves, up an octave and down and octave at the same time, the best. And I turn the regeneration of the pitch shifts way down so I avoid that rising or lowering cascading pitch effect. I like fading the effect in with the expression pedal after I've hit a note or chord and use quantize replace to capture predetermined subdivisions of the loop. It allows me to create sequencer style percolating parts that because of the octave up and down pitch combination it sounds very close to an organ timbre. actually better to my ears and more fresh than any guitar synth organ patch I was ever able to use. I have at least 5 or 6 parameters being continuously controlled by the one ex pedal so in toe down position I have only the reverb on, at half way I bring in the delay and at toe down position the pitch effect comes in, the reverb mix increases slightly and both the delay's regeneration and the reverb's decay time increase subtley. This is a far cry from the effect of which you speak, more organic sounding than parallel 4ths and 5ths and more useable, though I do occasionally use those intervals but in poly rhythmic way with-ought any regeneration. It can really make one guitar sound like its doing the work of two or three if you lock in right. I also like using 9ths, or 5th up and 4th down bouncing from one interval to they other. Bill |