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komplete vs. ableton

i know this is a really subjective question, but what are people's thoughts on the these two?  i'm really torn and the demos unfortunately don't really let you dig in and see what's what.  maybe for people who've spent some serious time with either...what are your praises and complaints.

i really like the samplers (kontakt and battery) in komplete and live.  i prefer mobius, so the looper in ableton doesn't matter.  komplete just seems, um, deeper.  any and all input is greatly appreciated.  all of this will run inside of bidule.

- jim