>>> Miko wrote >>> > "There's a new TC Electronic "budget" unit called the D-Two coming out... rumor is that street price will be right at $500 american buckolas. It has 10 secs of *stereo* delay and a hold function. Reverse on the fly, filtering for a more analog sound, chorus/flange and from the ad copy a very full featured multi-tap tempo delay feature... it's midi as well. I'm really crossing my fingers on this one. Should ship in late November according to TC U.S. " Best Regards, Miko Biffle, email@example.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." >>> "postaldave" <firstname.lastname@example.org> 11/02 1:08 PM >>> > if boomerang would come up with their upgrade it would make ten sec. Is there more to your statement? Boomerang is (rough guess here) 2min/4min with upgraded RAM, but lives in the lo-fi realm. JamMan and EDP have 32sec and 199sec respectively and are of a more hi quality sound. Still all three of them lack the ability to modulate the delay line, and the lack stereo. The old Digitech RDS/PDS XXXX and Lexicon PCM 42 (stock and modified) is in a lot of peoples racks because you can modulate the delays as well as really freak with the regen... Are either of these boxes stereo? > but than again your waiting for that i'm waiting for the new 'rang and everyone else is waiting for the echoplex. it would seem the music companies have really dropped the ball in regards to looping. As a fairly satisfied EDP owner, I'm still in love with regen delay looping and see several new choices available... There's the recently discontinued Korg DL8000R which has 5 secs stereo / 10 secs mono with tons of multitap tempo based rythym capabilities as well as LFO waveform delay modulation, as well as serious feedback control all via midi... lots of cc patchable params. This is still sitting around a couple retail locations for ~350.00. I've heard criticism of it's user i/f and some comments on noise, but the two folks I know who have them say they're really quiet and versatile if you're gain staging them correctly. There's the in-production Headrush with pretty great reviews from LD users And the just-in-the-catalog Line6 Delay Modeler which reads great... Hopefully we'll all hear something about them on the list soon. Might be the king of floor based multi-featured swiss army delays / 14 sec looper... Then there's the TC D-Two I've mentioned on the horizon... based on the TC-2290 and with 10 seconds stereo delay. I've heard Mr. Fxxxx with a pair of 2290's sounding rather awesome with the 64 sec upgrade... Delay based / regen controlled / hold controlled looping is a very mutable and fun way to loop and I regularly do it with much satisfaction with only 1.8 secs of delay... 10 seconds will definitely be a total fun house romp with ridiculous multi-taps going as well as being able to reverse on the fly and add chorus/flange etc... This is GOOD news for loopers!