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Re: 2nd Sunday Loop show/'community'
hi there. i'm so happy that i found this community. since i joined this
list, a couple of days ago only, i've been a bit unsure about the meaning
of that word "loop". i am really into real time captures & sampling at the
moment. but i'm often trying to get away from loops, understood as
something repeated & expected. personally i'm using loops but breaking,
hacking, going back & forth between variations & repetition. i hope i'm
still part of the group ;) i'll try to be in zurich in august but until
then can you tell me what live looping means for you. i suppose the
meaning is different for everyone. ok. but does looping necessarily have
to do with repetition for example? sorry if this is an old debate for some
> There certainly is a robust, amazingly supportive community around this
> thing we do. Lucky us!
> For what it¹s worth, this was how I defined ³Live Looping² in the press
> I sent out:
> About Live Looping
> Live looping is an art form in which musicians use technology to capture
> ³loop² musical passages in real time, while playing. Once a phrase or
> is captured, it becomes an independent musical element, which the
> can repeat and alter, playing with it or against it.
> Live Looping essentially allows a musician to act as his or her own
> ensemble, making it possible for performers to push the boundaries of
> instruments and their musical imaginations to new and often far-reaching
> places. Live loopers create walls of layered sound, full compositions
> multiple counterpoint lines, and incredible soundscapes, and are some of
> most interesting and inventive musicians on the planet today.
> Maybe live looping is a little like Cubism, or any other art movement.
> Cubists certainly didn¹t invent painting, but they applied new techniques
> and a new way of conceptualizing to an extant art form.
> ghost7 | Orange
> on 5/11/05 2:24 PM, max valentino at firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
>> I wanted to send out a public, list-inclusive “thank you” to everyone
>> were involved and present at last week’s “Second Sunday Live Looping”
>> in Santa Cruz.
>> First of all, to Rick Walker, who through his own tenacity and
>> has made such a unique event possible.
>> To Dan Soltzberg who put together a very eclectic and unique lineup of
>> artists, and whose first production in Santa Cruz can be considered a
>> success. Thanks. It was really an honor to be part of it.
>> And to Matt Davignon and Amar & Samba who provided some wonderful,
>> and diverse music that evening.
>> And, while I have the bandwidth, perhaps I will re-open the debate of
>> community within this little community of ours. While at the “second
>> Sunday” show, I was able to really ponder the significance of this
>> of community”.
>> There is some debate here on the list as to whether the concept, or even
>> term, of “live looping” is appropriate or even necessary. There is also
>> debate as to whether looping is an art-form in itself, a musical
>> a technique, a means of production or an end product in its own right.
>> It struck me, while listening to the diversity of musical expression at
>> Second Sunday show, that the debates over these things are quite null.
>> Regardless of what we call it, we do have a “community” of musicians who
>> the techniques of looping as a motis operandi for their musical
>> And, as such, we, the loopers, loopographers, or loopists, give support
>> credence to each of our efforts.
>> The show this past Sunday featured a wide array of diverse musics. I
>> certainly performed what might be called the most “accessible”, or the
>> “experimental” of the music on the bill (this is a deliberate choice for
>> as I make my living doing this, and for me to gig regularly my music
>> have at least some semblance of traditional form and melody). But all
>> the performers were quite supportive of each other (not merely
>> and giving the mutual back slapping stuff). We were, and are, genuinely
>> interested and excited about what each artist is doing. Despite the
>> and divergent musical styles, we all do share a common trait, which is
>> use of looping in a live musical forum.
>> There is much historical precedence for “art movements” to be started by
>> artists involved simply as a way of giving support, credence, and
>> to a new form or tendency within the artistic discipline. Now, I don’t
>> to go so far as to call looping a new “movement”, or genre of music
>> (although there are those on this list which certainly do extol the
>> thereof), but, the fact is, looping, and the multi-faceted uses of audio
>> loops, have permeated all forms of the recording industry in such a way
>> they are now “mainstream techniques”. The use of loops in a live
>> is still a fairly uncharted course, which makes what many of do so
>> and fresh and new.
>> The very existence of this list does, in some way, define us as a
>> “community”. And, while quite a few of us are uncomfortable with the
>> looping” moniker (perhaps seeing it as self-indulgent, or perhaps
>> self-limiting), if creating a label for what we do, and therefore making
>> possible “looping festivals” or multi-act shows of artists who
>> looping can bring forth greater promotion of the tools and techniques
>> use; can give greater exposure to artists whose work will certainly fall
>> outside the mainstream (and whose prospects of “good” gigs becomes more
>> more limited), is this such a bad thing?
>> (and, in case you hadn’t noticed, it seems that what we do is creating
>> sort of notice as there are several new, or re-vamped, performance based
>> loopers hitting the market. And while many of these might be deficient
>> many of the features some of us more experienced loopists might crave,
>> fact they are being produced can be viewed as evidence that what we do
>> being noticed, and the act ,or art, of looping is creeping its way into
>> aspects of performance-oriented music.).
>> So again I would like to thank Rick and Bill Walker, Dan Soltzberg
>> Matt Davignon, and Amar & Samba…along with any and all of you who
>> shows such as “Second Sundays Looping Series”, and any other of the
>> festivals” and other one-off loop-based shows. For those of you lucky
>> enough to be close to Santa Cruz (“the looping capital of the world”) ,
>> to next month’s Second Sunday show (which, I believe, should be on June
>> 12)….or better yet…play at one!