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RE: Acoustic questions and "Hello!"

Good information.....I know my friend got a Headrush for $160 (with tax) a little while ago, and I was thinking the DD-20 was more like $225, but the DD-20 is definitely a step up, in features, and if he can find one that fits the budget, I second the choice.  The tools of the trade page is an invaluable resource, but beware, I had to invest in an Echoplex because of that page.   :) 
-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net]
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 2:11 PM
To: Brian; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Acoustic questions and "Hello!"

Nice reply, Brian - you covered a lot of good ground for Matthew. I'd only add that, for looping tools, the Boss DD-20 blows the Headrush away at the same price point. Matthew should take a few minutes to scan the Loopers Delight web site, particularly "Tools of the Trade" for more hardware info.
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side."
--- Hunter S. Thompson

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:35 AM
Subject: RE: Acoustic questions and "Hello!"

Welcome Matthew,
                 I think your budget is an obstacle for what you are trying to accomplish.  Hopefully you already have the guitar pickup (and as for the slap in the hole kind, if you can tolerate the tone it produces normally, it will be fine, if you don't like it, then just picture having to hear multiples of it.  Personally I've never heard one other than the Sunrise, which is quite expensive, that I could tolerate for any length of time). 
An RC-20 will work fine with an acoustic, depending on what features you need to have.  If you want features like progressive undo and multiply, I'm pretty sure you are going to have to spend more money (check the owners manual/or loopers delight page on-line for the features).  If you want to run guitar and vocals though a looper you are going to need a mixer in front of the looper, and with your budget I'm not sure you are going to be able to afford one that has the capabilities to also route out to a PA as well with some clever signal chain management.....so you may have to hold off on that idea and just run your guitar through the looper, buy the cheapest 4 channel mixer you can find and output it into the cheapest PA you can find (a guitar amp will not produce satisfactory results with the guitar and 2 vocals). 
Given your price limitations, you may need to cut corners everywhere.  I believe the Akai Headrush is the cheapest looper on the market <$200, you may want to see if this could possibly fit your needs though the RC-20 has longer record times and loop storage capabilities. 
I think you are probably going to have to invest more than $400, if all you have right now is a guitar without a pickup.  Especially if you intend to use this rig in a public place.  If you are going to use this for practice purposes and then have access to a PA at a gig, then you might want to hold off on the PA and get a mixer with 2 headphone outs, and use that to practice until you can afford to really buy some decent equipment.  Just throwing out ideas here.
And for a K-Dub (Keller Williams) fix, if you are not aware of it you need to check out this site:   www.archive.org/audio   then go to the live music archive part, there you will find over 100 K-Dub shows in lossless compression for FREE.  I also recommend checking out Brock Butler on the site as well, he also uses a looping device (start out with the SBD source show). 
Hope this helps. 

 -----Original Message-----
From: Harmony & Matthew [mailto:mattshead@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 6:40 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Acoustic questions and "Hello!"

My name is Matthew, I have been playing guitar for 15 years, last 10 mostly acoustic, and i recently got into Keller Williams...AND, i am fired up and dying to set up a simple rig..something i can afford...i can see in former posts that the echoplex and other high end peices work nicely...
well, here is my idea...i want to mic the guitar...(acoustic pickup?)...have it run through the "looper"..and  a mic for my wife and i to sing...(if it could run through the looper, great, but i realize with my budget!?!)...and then have a speaker system...(amp, or small PA set up...)  all for not much money...100 dollars...HAHAHA, ok, no, may 300, i know, ah, 400 with it all ready to go?!?  i hear that you dont need a guitar amp with the acoustic...or even shouldnt...but i want a system to take the mic too...the singing mic that is...
if i buy...say a Boss RC 20...will that work well with an acoustic...i am in the dark here...i dont know what is out there lately...and for my price range...i know, please stop laughing;)  at the very least i would like to know if a regular "slap in the soundhole" pick up in my blueridge will be ok with something cheap as a RC 20...or would it be a waste of money?
thank you

                                           Harmony and Matthew

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