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Re: crappy music of the masses

Good points, man.

But, I think I'll pass on  listening to an orchestra comprised of an 
assemblage of farters. :)
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kris Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses

>> << So if you hate rap, gangsta rap, death metal, etc, >>
>> I was thinking of the people creating the 'anger-oriented' music rather 
>> than the person who is angry at the rappers, heavy metal goobers, 
>> whatever.
> Understood.  I hope you didn't think I was singling you out with my 
> generalized "you."
> This is another interesting, albeit philosophical topic. Over the years, 
> occasionally being tempted by the human tendency to be ethnocentric and 
> egocentric, I've made my share of caustic remarks regarding other forms 
> music. People make negative comments about "some" looping music too, 
> saying it's overly repetetive, too long, boring, etc.  In any event, 
> without fail, after I make such remarks about other forms of music that 
> don't particularly enjoy, I always end up feeling as if I've betrayed 
> myself as an artist and failed to heed one of the fundamental principles 
> that makes art what it is, viz., utterly free and unrestrained emotional 
> expression. That form of expression is sacred. It is un-touchable, and 
> "good unto itself" according to some folks.  When I said all is 
> earlier, I meant it, and I believe it. As artists, as soon as we start 
> censoring or marginalizing forms of art that don't please us, or which 
> find revolting, then we've betrayed the very same principles that permit 
> us the freedom to do what we want and not be judged or criticized for 
> So I find the best thing to do, for me personally, is to just keep my 
> mouth shut in light of artforms that I don't like. It's not wrong to be 
> revolted by a particular form of art. That is a natural human reaction. 
> What is questionable and just as revolting is when that revolting 
> converts to quasi-objective claims about the intrinsic nature of the 
> offending art. It's one thing to say that such an such art makes you 
> bad. It's quite another thing to say that the art IS bad.
> That was more than 2 cents, I guess... :)
> Kris
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul" <paulrichard10@adelphia.net>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:35 PM
> Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Kris Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>
>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses
>>> I'm all for taking that anger and making more music of it. So if you 
>>> hate rap, gangsta rap, death metal, etc, etc...then who knows, maybe 
>>> that might make good inspiration for a dark ambient looping piece.  
>>> a chain saw to an iron cast frying pan...loop that.
>>>> BUT..........what if the anger & expression lead to physical 
>>>> manifestations? (i.e. beating the shit out of people, killing folks, 
>>>> beating the crap out of one's significant other, et al).
>>> That's where this thing called taking responsibility for one's own 
>>> actions comes into play. The last I heard, there is no psychosomatic 
>>> "necessary" or logical connection between anger and assault and 
>>> unless we're talking about a real disorder or psychosis (though I can 
>>> easily switch to my philosophical mode here and posit a theory where 
>>> everything goes and no one is repsonsible).
>>>> Personal expression is great. The older I get, the more I respect 
>>>> who don't conform to the norms and express themselves via the arts or 
>>>> even just in terms of clothing, hair, whatever.
>>>> However, a lot of brainwashing is in effect in modern day society by 
>>>> the media/advertising/broadcasting conglomerates. And what people are 
>>>> doing isn't necessarily motivated by their own desire to express 
>>>> themselves but rather their expression is a result of being 
>>>> as to what they should be doing by folks selling stuff.
>>> Hmmmm...smells like determinism to me. Are you a determinist?  Cool if 
>>> you are...I'm borderline.  Let's not get the rest of the world to buy 
>>> into that, however....otherwise, we're f*cked. ;)
>>> Practically, however, I do still question this power of influence. I 
>>> don't believe (or disbelieve for that matter) that society is 
>>> anyone to do anthing. That remains to be demonstrated. We ultimately 
>>> absorb our environment and make choices based on that data.  We have 
>>> choices. That is the key here.
>>> K-
>>>> ---- Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
>>>>> Sorry folks. It all seems like art and just another form of 
>>>>> to
>>>>> me. It's all permitted.  It's just not reaching out to greet you at 
>>>>> the
>>>>> door.  Of course, I'm repulsed by most of it as well, as some art 
>>>>> should do
>>>>> to us ina healthy system of artist expression. If it doesn't than 
>>>>> a
>>>>> sorry ass, monochromatic, undiverisifed, and basically soporific 
>>>>> boring
>>>>> world we would live in. Now that would make me angry. Getting angry 
>>>>> people getting angry and expressing it via music seems like a 
>>>>> waste
>>>>> of artistic energy.
>>>>> Just my 2 cents, man....
>>>>> K-
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Todd Pafford" <calenlas@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:21 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses
>>>>> Agreed, d.s..
>>>>> The anger, hatred, and violence in gangsta & metal genres astounds 
>>>>>  What a waste of a day to spend it pissed off at the world.  And of
>>>>> course there's the rampant consumerism in the pop & hip-hop genres.
>>>>> Bleh.
>>>>> The saddest thing to me is that most hip young people don't read.  
>>>>> course, it was the same in my day too.)  So here we have a situation
>>>>> where folks spend all day pissed off, thinking about the latest
>>>>> fashions and bling to spend their dough on, and not learning anything
>>>>> from several thousand years of human existence and not critically
>>>>> thinking about how they're living.  It's a sad and pitiable waste of
>>>>> life.
>>>>> T.
>>>>> On 1/11/06, daniel stevenson <stillllscary@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> >      who keeps pushing this crappy music to the ignorant masses?im 
>>>>> > sick of
>>>>> > it to the point of violence! the cocaine pushing rap music...the 
>>>>> > mindless
>>>>> > rabble of big guitar rock...all the pedofilic pop music aimed at
>>>>> > kids...where is the art? its no puzzel...kill em all and feed em 
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > fat
>>>>> > greedy humans in buffet lines!
>>>>> >      angry about it,
>>>>> >                            scary!
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
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