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Re: ( Mobius rhythmic accuracy) was: now That First Loop


I guess there must be some part of information missing here because
what you are describing is simply not possible! As I understand it you
are doing three things:

1. Kick Record.
2. Play your instrument (which is now being recoded by the looper).
3. Kick Record.

Now, you're saying that after this process the loop starts playing
back "faster or ahead of time". But no looper in the world can read
your thoughts an know in advance when you will kick Record the second
time to close the loop, set the loop point and start playback of the
recorded loop! ;-))

Please fill us in with the missing pieces so we can sort this out!

(BTW, you still have your email client set to your own address in the
"Reply to" field. This is why your list posts are sent back to you
privately instead of to the list)


On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 10:15 AM, L.A. Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Now that i finally got the driver issue with mobius out if the way i am 
>having a similar problem; with the MME drivers mobius had latency when i 
>triggered it with the fcb1010,now that is working with ASIO(which by the 
>way it was a matter of assigning correcly the ports of my RME fireface)it 
>responds nice and fast but when i record a loop and end it,playback 
>starts faster or ahead of time which can throw me off,same when i do 
> anybody having this problem?compared to the EDP is there an difference 
>in accuracy response? would i just have to adapt to this and live with 
>it,or is it a setup problem?
> Luis
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
> --- On Thu, 9/4/08, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> From: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: New Member - was Buying Advice, now That First Loop
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 12:53 AM
>> Or alternatively:-
>> The most accurate and reliable  method to create that first
>> loop is
>> to tap at the beginning of the loop, and then tap at the
>> end.
>> By using the same method to start the loop as to end it,
>> there's
>> a slight (but significant) advantage in that any timing
>> discrepancies
>> between the tapping and the playing will cancel out.
>> (e.g. if you tap slighty early both times, you still get an
>> accurate loop length).
>> Any method that uses 2 different actions to start and end
>> the loop is likely
>> to mess with accurate timing.
>> While it's often recommended to play a rhythm part
>> through a couple of times
>> before recording it this does not give any advantage, you
>> still have to
>> learn to co-ordinate yourself ,you don't learn any of
>> the looping
>> skills you'd need for more complex arrangements and it
>> doesn't
>> sound/look as cool.
>> The tap-play-tap method may seem a bit hard at first, but
>> it's actually not
>> at all hard to learn, I've seen people "get
>> it" in about 5 mins of trying.
>> (just practise a short rhythm loop till it works).
>> Respect to Dave for describing a couple of other
>> techniques.
>> I'd also say that it's better to turn off the
>> pre-set tempo on the looper,
>> and just tap in the loop.
>> (unless you need to sync up for some reason}
>> andy butler
>> Dave Gallaher wrote:
>> > I assume the Boss Loop Station you have is like mine,
>> and therefore has the
>> > Autostart setting available.  This will reduce 50% of
>> your loop error
>> > potential right off the bat if you are starting from
>> silence.  Select
>> > Autostart; set the level to the point where a
>> well-played note (but not an
>> > accidental click or handling noise) will begin the
>> loop.  Then all you have
>> > to do is end on time, and it's much easier to hit
>> the '1' following several
>> > measures of playing than it is to start dead on.
>> >
>> > Another technique:  if you are going to lay a rhythm
>> guitar pattern down as
>> > the bed, play it a couple times before hitting the
>> loop.  If you have any
>> > discrepancy in your tempo between your starting point
>> and the end of the
>> > phrase, you can usually be rid of it after a go-round
>> or two.  Using
>> > autostart, simply play the guitar pattern, stop for a
>> four beat rest while
>> > stepping on the record pedal, then begin on
>> '1'.
>> >
>> > I have no experience recording with included clicks
>> and drum rhythms, so
>> > this advice may be useless to you if this is your
>> mode.
>> >
>> > dave
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Subject: RE: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions
>> Sought
>> >
>> > Thank you all for your advice.  I really appreciated
>> it.
>> >
>> > I had it down to the following three --
>> >
>> > A) Boomerang with 2-channel Mixer -- not feasible, as
>> the footprint and
>> > extra setup for a mixer would detract from what I need
>> it to do in the way I
>> > need it to work (get up on stage, set up, go quickly)
>> >
>> > B) Digitech JamMan - looked great, but realistically
>> when live could only
>> > record one phrase at a time (otherwise would have to
>> stop and save)
>> >
>> > C)  Boss Loop Station - expensive and finicky, with a
>> large number of
>> > complaints registered online, and even a known
>> "glitch" that bothers some
>> > people regarding a playback gap.
>> >
>> > In the end, I went with the Boss Loop Station, due
>> mostly to the links
>> > provided by members here, and their comments.  In the
>> scant hour I've spent
>> > messing with it, I've already been able to do two
>> tunes that I couldn't do
>> > solo (tough to do a 3-part harmony/bodhran song by
>> yourself -- without a
>> > looping station, that is).
>> >
>> > Now to practice!
>> >
>> > (yegods, laying down that first track so it repeats
>> nicely, in a timely
>> > regular fashion, is an ART!  ... It took me awhile to
>> figure out that the
>> > tempo light switched red on the FIRST beat ... My
>> brain keeps insisting that
>> > red must be on the FOURTH beat for some reason?!)
>> >
>> > If anybody wishes to pass me the links/references on
>> "looping for newbies --
>> > how to lay an initial decent rhythm track in under 20
>> minutes!" then feel
>> > free to e-mail me privately (so as not to spam the
>> list with my newbie
>> > stuff).
>> >
>> > Thank you all again for the advice.  I appreciate it.
>> >
>> >
>> >