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Microsoft has done acceptable stuff. I guess the way I measure it is--how many windows related products have made me say, "wow, that's really f'n cool?" Full disclosure: I own a PC w/XP and a Mac. t On Jul 17, 2009, at 9:34 PM, Art Simon wrote: > Warren and Jeff, you make good points and I think Gladwell was on weak > ground we he spoke to computer programming. Was Bill Gates a great > programmer? What made Bill Gates "great" was that he got IBM to use > his operating system, but allow him to keep the license. Microsoft has > done some good stuff, but they owe their continuing existence to that > one stroke of luck or hubris. > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Warren > Sirota<wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> That would include most of the programmers in the world, and if my >>> work experience is any indication, very few of them are who I would >>> consider "great" :-) >>> >>> 10,000 hours might get you "professional". You would be able to >>> compete in the job market and be a valued team member. But great? >>> >>> I think greatness as a programmer is much harder to quantify than >>> greatness as a musician. Many people think Linus Torvalds is great, >> >> >> how many great programmers have there been in the history of >> computing? 5? >> 15? you pretty much have to create a platform to be considered >> great, i'd >> say - make an OS or invent a language, something like that. Even >> if you >> write a great application program, that doesn't make you a great >> programmer >> (tho something like Visicalc qualifies because it started a >> supremely useful >> category). a great programmer would be severely out of place on >> most of the >> teams I'm on. >> >> >> -- >> Warren >> http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679 >> http://www.warrensirota.com >> > > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@gmail.com > myspace [dot] com/artsimon >