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Re: Boomerang 3

Thanks Chuck, I am a bit outdated personally anyway! I have recently added quite a bit of gear and will reevaluate my rig. Although it always has seemed very sensitive to me. The DL 4, M9 and DD 20 just don't ever have this issue for me.

Tell me one thing though. Why do none of the modern fx boxes have any input lights anymore? Everything used to have them except small stomps.

Since you turn them down all the way, do you think that the 2880 input design is a bit outdated?

Still it is what it is and you make sense. I will be checking this out. I do dig the 2880 and would like to make it work for me better.

thanks much,


On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote:

Your question is what *can* you do to get the most out of this setup..   My advice is to avoid clipping the 2880 at all cost, so turn down the input gain, turn up your amp a bit.  I set the input gains on my 2880 all the way down (fully counterclockwise) when driving it from a multi effector, etc...

The 2880  A/d converter is 24bit,  so you will not hear quantization noise even if the signal is extremely low.. the concept of  "good signal level" is a bit outdated considering the  dynamic range of a 24 bit converter,  and you are certainly not going to get *more* noise if the input gain is turned down.  In modern digital recording (and loopers qualify as "recording") *lower* recording levels are your friend, clipping is your enemy.

The 2880 analog input circuit is very simple and clean, in practical use the noise from the effects and the guitar itself are going to dominate... the hiss isn't generated by the 2880, but by what's feeding it.   

The feature set of the Boomerang sounds very interesting, I haven't heard the new one yet... the early Boomerang never sounded very clean, but it had a nice texture..  :)   I'm always interested in unsynched loops, the RC-50  does that, too..  but I have really grown attached to the physical controls of the 2880 in live performance,  often fading out certain elements, and later bringing them back in, etc.. 

I think that if a looper doesn't impose itself on the work in some way , it isn't a musical instrument...


 I always leave the input knobs  about 1/4. I know this is relative, I can turn down the fx before it but I get about the same results in range. The difference between where I would normally play at and a boosted signal to where a "lead" is, will clip it quickly. It seems about the same as my Vortex units maybe more, not much range between good signal and clip. I have read others comments from time to time on this but it is an issue for me. This is input clipping I am talking about. My DD 20 and M9 never have this issue, I can feed them relatively big spikes without a clipping problem.

I have tried many ways to compensate for this. Reducing my output at all stages, etc. I lose dynamics or notice hiss if I get too fussy with it.  If you have any ideas I am all ears Chuck!

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote:
  I completely understand what you're looking for, and so I have been following this thread with some interest.  I also use a 2880 (as well as a repeater), and I guess I don't quite understand the headroom comment.. As long as you don't clip the signal going in, you shouldn't have any headroom issues, and by using the realtime feedback sliders, you can actually "duck" an offensively clipped part of a loop.
How are your headroom problems manifest?