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Re: Survey: Echoloop + LG Users: Instant Multiply?



though perhaps not relevant to EchoLoop, I have nearly abandoned the use 
of instant multiply in favor or strait multiply 
 in Mobius, either tied to a next loop function, or as a stand alone 
preset, Why, because it flows better for creation of song form, for 
example: i create a short loop of content that I want to be part of a 
longer loop and then simply overdub my new content while in multiply for 
as many bars as I want to multiply by. before I'd hit instant multiply and 
then go in to overdub and then out again, thats 3 switch presses whereas 
the afore mentioned use of multiply as overdub is only two switch presses. 
Once I got the hang of Multiply, it seemed the easiest way to elongate my 
loops with out much tap dancing on an instant multiply function. 2 cents 
for ya.
bill

> 
> 
> On 01/01/2015 11:49, Per Boysen wrote:
>> I doubt it will be possible
> 
> I use it all the time.
> Hit Nextloop ...EDP waits
> Hit Mult (no. of cycles+1) times.
> EDP multiplys by (no. of cycles) in new loop.
> 
> 
> 
>> because in the EDP and Echoloop Multiply
>> is a real-time process; you really have to let the playback roll all
>> the way... and a real-time process can not be made "instant" with
>> nifty LG control scripting.
> 
> indeed, it's not the 'instant multiply' as available elsewhere,
> ...but I don't think that matters.
> 
> The loop length is defined in advance, without having to wait.
> 
> In practice the only difference is that any input will be overdubbed for 
> the length
> of the new loop.
> 
> The 'Insert' idea won't help, I'm afraid,
> it's no more "instant" than Mult.
> (You must be thinking of Stutter Mode here, so
> it's not quite as insane an idea as I first thought.)
> ;-)
> 
> andy
> 
> 
>> 
>> Greetings from Sweden
>> 
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboysen.com
>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 11:56 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>> Hi Phil,
>>> 
>>> On the EDP I just hit Multiply as quick as possible,
>>> and it works fine.
>>> 
>>> So there exists the possibility that this is an Echoloop bug.
>>> 
>>> ...but really I need your Echoloop settings to know whats going on.
>>> 
>>> I suspect that adjustment of the SamplerStyle parameter will help.
>>> 
>>> or Quantise?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If not, it's possible to delay the LG by a fixed number of midi-beats.
>>> Lets not go there just yet.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> andy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 01/01/2015 09:07, Phil Clevenger wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Okay all you Echoloop & Little Giant people…
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve spent two days on this problem and now I must come to you :)
>>>> 
>>>> *Goal: To create a command on the LG that will result in effectively 
>>>> an
>>>> “Instant Multiply” like we see on the LP1 or in Mobius. “Go to next 
>>>> loop,
>>>> copy and multiply x 4.” Or: “Go to Loop 3 and multiply x 3 cycles.” 
>>>> That
>>>> kind of thing.*
>>>> 
>>>> For the Echoloop, it’s harder that it seems like it ought to be:
>>>> 
>>>> The problem is, Echoloop/EDP uses “Multi-Increase” to accomplish such
>>>> stuff - and that’s great, but it’s also a hassle. If I want x4, that’s
>>>> *four* tap dance steps. I want to do this in one :)
>>>> 
>>>> On the LG, I can execute Next Loop, or Go To Loop, and with SndMulti
>>>> active in the Echoloop, I’ll be in Multiply mode right away. Now, to 
>>>> emulate
>>>> the 4 note ons and note offs that four presses of Multiply would 
>>>> make, I can
>>>> program them into the same LG switch press… but the problem is, it’s 
>>>> very
>>>> important *when* those commands execute: they must execute *after* the
>>>> rounding period after I press the “Next Loop” switch, when we have 
>>>> arrived
>>>> in Multiply mode. Delaying messages by absolute times is supported by 
>>>> LG,
>>>> but that is useless as I will not always be reliably at the same 
>>>> tempo;
>>>> delaying by beats in the LG is useless too, as I cannot use the LG as 
>>>> my
>>>> clock, nor will I always know how many beats are required.
>>>> 
>>>> /The LG simply has no awareness of Echoloop states… /
>>>> 
>>>> So… anyone know how to make an Instant Multiply using these tools?
>>>> 
>>>> And yes - that’s how I’ve spent New Years Eve and the days leading up 
>>>> to
>>>> it :D
>>>> 
>>>> HAPPY NEW YEAR :)
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks all -
>>>> 
>>>> Phil :)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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