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Re: Survey: Echoloop + LG Users: Instant Multiply?



Bill you are also correct :)

One tap to Multuply, play as one likes while the cycles spool ever onward, 
tap again to close… it’s marvelous and fluid.

In this case my intention was much more specific: about rigid song 
structure and reducing complexity and potential for human error within 
that.

Phil :)


On Jan 1, 2015, at 10:11 AM, bill walker <wildbillwalker@icloud.com> wrote:

> though perhaps not relevant to EchoLoop, I have nearly abandoned the use 
> of instant multiply in favor or strait multiply 
> in Mobius, either tied to a next loop function, or as a stand alone 
> preset, Why, because it flows better for creation of song form, for 
> example: i create a short loop of content that I want to be part of a 
> longer loop and then simply overdub my new content while in multiply for 
> as many bars as I want to multiply by. before I'd hit instant multiply 
> and then go in to overdub and then out again, thats 3 switch presses 
> whereas the afore mentioned use of multiply as overdub is only two 
> switch presses. Once I got the hang of Multiply, it seemed the easiest 
> way to elongate my loops with out much tap dancing on an instant 
> multiply function. 2 cents for ya.
> bill
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 01/01/2015 11:49, Per Boysen wrote:
>>> I doubt it will be possible
>> 
>> I use it all the time.
>> Hit Nextloop ...EDP waits
>> Hit Mult (no. of cycles+1) times.
>> EDP multiplys by (no. of cycles) in new loop.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> because in the EDP and Echoloop Multiply
>>> is a real-time process; you really have to let the playback roll all
>>> the way... and a real-time process can not be made "instant" with
>>> nifty LG control scripting.
>> 
>> indeed, it's not the 'instant multiply' as available elsewhere,
>> ...but I don't think that matters.
>> 
>> The loop length is defined in advance, without having to wait.
>> 
>> In practice the only difference is that any input will be overdubbed 
>> for the length
>> of the new loop.
>> 
>> The 'Insert' idea won't help, I'm afraid,
>> it's no more "instant" than Mult.
>> (You must be thinking of Stutter Mode here, so
>> it's not quite as insane an idea as I first thought.)
>> ;-)
>> 
>> andy
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Greetings from Sweden
>>> 
>>> Per Boysen
>>> www.perboysen.com
>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 11:56 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Phil,
>>>> 
>>>> On the EDP I just hit Multiply as quick as possible,
>>>> and it works fine.
>>>> 
>>>> So there exists the possibility that this is an Echoloop bug.
>>>> 
>>>> ...but really I need your Echoloop settings to know whats going on.
>>>> 
>>>> I suspect that adjustment of the SamplerStyle parameter will help.
>>>> 
>>>> or Quantise?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> If not, it's possible to delay the LG by a fixed number of midi-beats.
>>>> Lets not go there just yet.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> andy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 01/01/2015 09:07, Phil Clevenger wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Okay all you Echoloop & Little Giant people…
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’ve spent two days on this problem and now I must come to you :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> *Goal: To create a command on the LG that will result in effectively 
>>>>> an
>>>>> “Instant Multiply” like we see on the LP1 or in Mobius. “Go to next 
>>>>> loop,
>>>>> copy and multiply x 4.” Or: “Go to Loop 3 and multiply x 3 cycles.” 
>>>>> That
>>>>> kind of thing.*
>>>>> 
>>>>> For the Echoloop, it’s harder that it seems like it ought to be:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The problem is, Echoloop/EDP uses “Multi-Increase” to accomplish such
>>>>> stuff - and that’s great, but it’s also a hassle. If I want x4, 
>>>>> that’s
>>>>> *four* tap dance steps. I want to do this in one :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> On the LG, I can execute Next Loop, or Go To Loop, and with SndMulti
>>>>> active in the Echoloop, I’ll be in Multiply mode right away. Now, to 
>>>>> emulate
>>>>> the 4 note ons and note offs that four presses of Multiply would 
>>>>> make, I can
>>>>> program them into the same LG switch press… but the problem is, it’s 
>>>>> very
>>>>> important *when* those commands execute: they must execute *after* 
>>>>> the
>>>>> rounding period after I press the “Next Loop” switch, when we have 
>>>>> arrived
>>>>> in Multiply mode. Delaying messages by absolute times is supported 
>>>>> by LG,
>>>>> but that is useless as I will not always be reliably at the same 
>>>>> tempo;
>>>>> delaying by beats in the LG is useless too, as I cannot use the LG 
>>>>> as my
>>>>> clock, nor will I always know how many beats are required.
>>>>> 
>>>>> /The LG simply has no awareness of Echoloop states… /
>>>>> 
>>>>> So… anyone know how to make an Instant Multiply using these tools?
>>>>> 
>>>>> And yes - that’s how I’ve spent New Years Eve and the days leading 
>>>>> up to
>>>>> it :D
>>>>> 
>>>>> HAPPY NEW YEAR :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks all -
>>>>> 
>>>>> Phil :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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