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Hi folks: Just wanted to announce my presence....I'm a guitarist/composer/multi-instrumentalist residing in the Minneapolis area and into this kind of thing. I've been into loops and delays for quite a while now, used to credit myself as "DRONE guitars" on my self-released tapes for some things I must say...and why not? I thought I was just weird, taking Allan Holdsworth's "volume pedal with delayed guitar through multi-voice chorus" to its next logical conclusion. Then I discovered Dave Torn's stuff and thought: "god, are other people doing this sort of thing too?" And then I found out that lots of others were doing it too. Musically I was treated as the crazy aunt under the cellar since I would often do some godawful screaming legato solo and then sit and drone for minutes driving drummers to distraction. EOS, by Terje Rypdal and David Darling sort of became a major obsession for a while. I'm now using three bits to do looping, none of them are really designed as "long delay loopers" like the Oberheim or JamMan, but they do the job: o Lexicon Vortex (Yes, I know, only about two seconds of delay but added to the below.....) o ART SGE (yes, I know, only 1.5 ms of delay, but added to the above....) o Boss DD-3 (yes, I know, only 800ms of delay, but added to the above...) I find that I can create a SWIRLING WHIRLIGIG FRENZY OF SOUND this way. Anyway, the Vortex I bought recently for about $150 new and I found a neat addendum to the owners manual that was sitting elsewhere in the music store I bought it, so I grabbed it and it has all sorts of hints on using it as a looping sampler among other things, it has several cascade loop effects which is quite nice and in combination with tap tempo delays I like it quite a lot. I intend on publishing that little manual addendum for loop-addicts soonly, Lexicon willing (like they'd care, right? Maybe so...I like their stuff...) I'd like to get a JamMan (8 seconds of high-quality audio delay out of the box...nice) or Oberheim (the first is in theoretical reach, the second a bit more expensive than I can justify at present, though I'd love it....) Anyway....I'll sign off now. Have fun and continue looping. By the way, did I tell you that I store loops on VHS Hi-Fi videocassettes because DATs are a bit steep for me? It works, too. You just need a decent VCR without the typical compression most of them have (i.e. you get what you pay for, the better ones are pretty crystalline sounding...) -- Todd Madson Associate Technical Specialist (ATS) LaserMaster Big Color Technical Support LaserMaster W3 Site: http://www.lasermaster.com/ Personal W3 Site: http://www.waste.org/~crash/ Personal mail address: crash@waste.org