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andre' what do the calartians have for machines now? web space and such? would it be possible to use some of that? rippy(rpi) has relatively cheap per meg rates, but my program is super intensive and may not have enough hours per carpeyed diem. ps: what program are you in? music I take it... I got accepted into the experimental motion graphics there. ended up choosing iEAR program for the teachers and the ability to integrate here is very unique. departments seemed very clicky and politic al when I was there. also, did they fix the hydraulic stage after the earthquake? collier