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AH! Sometimes, these "off-topic" subjects are just exhilarating! A little Latin lessons is always good and fun (well probabaly the only time it was any fun for me). By the way, I got an idea: I was listening to an old piece of music wich is " marche pour la ceremeonie des turcs" from Jean Baptiste Lully (it is a late XVIIth century composer who was the "maitre d'ouuvre" of all the french music under the reign of Louis XIV). This piece is a long orchestrated phrase that repeat itself, and grow in intensity, even though the player don't play really louder. That could be somekind of an ancestor to repetitive, or minimalistic music that lead to specific looping process we use quite daily. What do you al think starting a whole thing about the roots of looping? By the way I'm quite surprised noone talked about Michael Brook... He did numerous interesting things, and I saw him first as asupporting act for the Sylvian/Fripp tour where he played alone with loops..... Olivier