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Here's another analogy between Indian classical music and looping - the drone. Chordal harmonic interest, in the Western sense, does not exist in Indian classical music. Instead, the music develops against a drone. I'm sure you're all familiar with that buzzing sound that we associate with Indian music. I can't remember the name of the instrument offhand, but it is simply a tuned drone, creating a background for the other musicians to work against. It is similar to the sitar, which has a number of resonant drone strings. In my own looping, I rarely use chordal development. I prefer drones and percussive sounds. This might be due to my own exposure to Indian music, or just my own ear, I'm not certain. Several of the most successful looping musicians I know of were also strongly influenced by Indian music - David Torn and Robert Fripp spring immediately to mind. A bed of looping drones and percussion is fertile ground for melodic improvisation. So I think there is not only a rhythmic, but also a structural relationship between looping music and Indian music. Of course, this is all assuming a certain approach to looping - an approach I and many others engage in, but certainly not the only musically valid approach. Most of what I know intellectually about Indian classical music comes from two sources. The first was an evening's conversation with a most excellent gentleman from India, a professor at a Northern Indian university who sang in the classical style (he gave a concert), and studied the folk music of Northern India. I met him after his concert and he invited me to dinner and described the music and his training in great detail. The next day, he gave a presentation on Indian folk music, with many recordings. This music, sadly, is dying due to the introduction of the radio and recorded music. The other source was a book by English free improvisor Derek Bailey, called (appropriately enough) "Musical Improvisation". Bailey devoted two chapters of this rather thin volume to Indian classical music, praising it extensively as an improvisational structure. He spent much time dealing with the basic musical theory, which is more philosophical than "musical" in nature. Because there really isn't a written form for the music, there is debate over even the number of notes in an octave. But I digress, again. :} Anyway, Bailey's book is a terrific read if you can get it, but I'm sure it is long out of print. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. -Charles Fort dstagner@icarus.net