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Chris Chovit wrote: > PLus, the >echoplex can be controlled via MIDI, whereas the JamMan is limited in its >MIDI implementation: you can only sync it to a MIDI beat clock. Now that >memory prices have come down, I feel that you get more for you dollar with >the Echoplex: > >Jam Man w/ 32 sec will cost you ~$450 >Echoplex w/ 108 sec will cost you ~$600 Chris , where did you get your 108 sec 'Plex ? The best price I've heard lately is $575 for 12 sec model incl. footswitch. Also Ram prices have risen a bit lately and 4Mb chips for the 'Plex are $43 from Chip Merchants. They have had the lowest prices I've seen. So that would be $172 more to fully load it at 198 sec. Also, although the MIDI implementation for the JamMan is limited and I'd bet not as extensive as the 'Plexs' , you can do a bit more than just sync to a MIDI clock. There are 20 program change messages you can send to cover things such as tap, layer,mute, fading loops , cueing loops,etc. I really envy you guys with the Echoplexes as it will probably be a while before I can afford one and I'm really lusting for one. Matthias was the book you mentioned by Peter Michael Hamel called " Through Music to the Self " ? A couple of other books worth mentioning are two by Joachim- Ernst Berendt called " Nada Brahma- The World is Sound " and "The Third Ear" , and one by R. Murray Schafer called " The Soundscape - Our Sonic Environment and the Tuning of the World ". ( I wonder if Fripp coined his recent loops from this title?). Some of these get a little esoteric and/or metaphysical. One thing I've noticed about loops are their meditational or trance inducing qualities. And speaking of trance inducing has anyone checked out the recent release by Michael Brook and Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan called " Night Song " ? Loops and vocals with tablas and other stuff. Nice. Loop on Ed Drake