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>I use a counting method with a guitar (could be any instrument, though) & >delay, which may be of interest, so I will try to communicate it here: > >I hope this wasn't too confusing.....(or too anal)! > >- chris > Not to me, I thought it was really interesting. I like your approach of representing a musical idea as a particular symbolic/algorithmic approach, extending the algorithm in obvious ways, and reapplying that to the musical idea. Allows you to find new things that would have been missed in praxis. I've started doing similar things with polyrhythms lately. I think of a particular beat division I want to work with (fives lately) and another beat division to cross it with (five over two, say). I'm not good enough rhythmically to play something like 5:2 right off the bat, so I carefully figure out all the subdivisions and the locations of each strike. Then I practice it slowly and build the tempo as I get the feel. Great way to pass time in boring meetings and irritate co-workers! I think I might try combining this with your ideas to make some more complex polyrhythmic loops! With the echoplex its pretty easy to get a couple of them synced together in cross rhythms, using midi clock and different 8ths/beat settings. there are also ways to do it with BrotherSync. I assume you've tried this sort of thing? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com