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I wholeheartedly agree with the points Andre makes. Given the FACT customer service for the Echoplex (& maybe Jamman?) is virtually non-existant, this e-mail list is like a lifeline to real knowledge and understanding of the hardware many of us have bought. If we don't mention the problems we're having, we won't benefit from eacother's experiences -- or fixes. The opportunity for many here to learn is is great. RE: the Echoplex -- I've already learned more in the last few weeks on this list than in any conversations I've had with Oberheim ;-) David Kirkdorffer P.S. Does anyone have an e-mail address for Oberheim? (NOT Gibson). I've done software marketing professionally in my days. And I'm currently unemployed.... I'd call, but, well -- need I say more...?