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Chris Chovit: >...strikes a chord with me. I like the idea of creating tools to create >music...i don't think its cheating...I mean, where does the music come >from >anyways? Very interesting! I had a brilliant day with maybe the most creative instrument builders of the world, Marco Antonio Guimaraes of the group UAKTI. He creates all himself with wood, glass, plastic tubes... So that very day (complete incredible acident, considering some more facts that led to the meeting) he had a demonstration for the Sri Aurobindo group and showed his "improvising instrument" It consists of a set of tuned tubes hangin around a hammer, that hangs on a semi stiff plastic that is driven by a motor. So the hammer slowly comes in motion and the motions becomes aleatoric, playing a melody on the tubes around the hammer. The thing was: We were laying on the floor around the instrument and listende to it for half an hour. I could never note any patern repeating but nevertheless started to feel the notes before they were coming! You probably know that feeling when you improvise with someone and you know him and you predict where the melody is going, and you think that you can predict it because you understood the guys musical thinking. But how is this possible with a machine? How does it really happen between people? This experience confirmed my improvisation seek: IMPROVISATION is a way to learn to get to the state where you can PREDICT or READ in the world documentation. The loop definitally fascilitates this. Matthias PS: Marco Antonios teacher actually was a swiss that lived and died 10 years ago in Salvador: Smetak. He was much crazyer, looking for microtuning and "decomposition". He wrote 35 mystical books that noone really understands (also due to his swiss portugese). But the popular creators like Caetano Veloso and Gilberto Gil loved him. Seams he was a great person. I have seen his instruments and was impressed by the creativity. Less so for the sound quality. Marco Antonio is more practical in this. Have a look at http://www.gilbertogil.com.br/taktak_0.htm