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Last night I'd been working on some loops, using a DOD 3.6sec delay and my Vortex. Typically I build a simple loop, lock that in, and then play on top until something else suggests itself, add that in, etc. After an hour or so, I wandered into the living room to see what my housemates were doing, and I left the loop cycling away in the next room. There were watching a movie on TV, and as I sat there, I could still hear the loop. It sounded as if the loop was changing, violins, voices, all sorts of things coming out of it. At times, it reminded me of north African singing, even though I knew what the loop "really" sounded like. There wasn't any music in the background of the movie, but it seemed to me that this aural "mirage" was the result of interferance between dialog, people in the room talking, and the loop. It was quite beautiful. I've found the same sort of thing when I listen to Lou Reed's "Metal Machine Music", a record frequently described as one of the most unlistenable collections of sonic information ever assembled. I believe Lester Bangs said that it could clear any party out in under three minutes. Naturally, when I heard that I said "Whoa! Gotta get me one of those!" It is very harsh, and seems to be the result of overloading a bunch of amplifiers and guitars and every chain of the recording process, and then multitracking it. It just starts, and goes on for 16 minutes a side (did I mention it's a double record), with no form or apparent planning. I think I read that he wasn't in the room--just turned everything on, ran tape for an hour, and chopped it into four pieces. When I listened to that, I heard the same sort of violiny-Lygetti-transmissions-from-space sort of sound. Of course, everyone else looked at me as if I was crazy, which I suppose we can't discount. After I bought that record (I'd also purchased My Bloody Valentine's second album around the same time), I wanted to explore regenerative music systems, so I loaded up my guitar into two or three distortion boxes, a chorus, a flanger, whatever else I had sitting around, and then into a two-second delay (the great Digitech big blue box), and then into a recently acquired Boss Delay/Pitch Shift box (the half-rack model from the microstudio series). The Boss unit does around 800ms of delay, but the most interesting part is the Reverse setting (not very common at the time), which can also be combined with pitchshifting. I found that if I set it an octave up, reversed, and then turned up the amp moderately loud, the whole system would burble on in a self-directed manner. I'd just sit the guitar on it's stand, turn everything on, and let it start feeding back. Every now and then I'd tap the body or flick the strings behind the nut to introduce some random information into the loop/system. The pickups were also fairly microphonic at that point, due to the huge amount of gain, and so loud sounds could also be picked up--such as handclaps, loud music from my stereo, me yelling into the pickups, and so on. After a while, I'd go sit out on the porch and listen to it mixed in with the sounds of cars going by, enjoying the worried looks of passers-by. I found that turning the amp in a different direction also had an effect on what happened, probably because the room I was in had high ceilings, no carpet and was decently sized. Maybe this is a little off-subject for the group, but I thought I'd delurk. Travis Hartnett