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I wonder if the Vortex would have been better marketed as a "Try it for 30 days" bit instead. And I'll agree, it was priced too high, considering it was competing with some very full-featured (if mind-bogglingly dull and generic) multi-effects from other companies. I dunno about the EH16 of the 90s, though. After all, I got to the bottom of my EH16 pretty quickly. Sometimes I don't feel I've even scratched the surface of the Vortex. Unfortunately, I've had little time to work with the Vortex since I got good pickups installed in my acoustic guitar. Using it with the acoustic is a whole new ball game. The sharp, percussive attack and wide dynamic range of the acoustic guitar feels very different from the electric, especially distorted electric. I do miss wrapping clouds of ambience around sustaining notes, though. Maybe I'll figure out some way to get good distortion again... -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort