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Greg said: >>If you people want to see all of the manufacturers run and create >loopers I >>will tell you what it will take: Not the esoteric kinds of things that >we >>all love to create and listen to because we know what is good, but >something >>that the great unwashed masses can enjoy as well. I'm not sure that's encessarily fair. Just because a market is small, doesn't mean it has to die. Out of interest, how many JamMen were sold compared to hour high-end reverbs? The market for those must be tiny (What do you think, dear - change the car or buy a Lex 300?). What we need is a new Brian May! No, not Nuno Battencourt. Mickey, in reply to Greg: >I posit that, despite fantastic technological advances, we live in an >era of mediocrity and sameness, perhaps even shallowness. I think >there is a great hunger for depth and quality, but I think the pace >of late 20th century life makes the search for meaning very costly, >perhaps even frivolous. Very often there is not enough time to >search beyond the obvious cookie-cutter solutions, so we grab for >the salient stimuli that are easily within our grasp. Life seems to >work if only we can keep up with the maddening pace of progress, if >only we can swim with the pack. Very often this can feel like a no win >game. In the face of enormous challenges and enormous potential, the >lowest common denominators often rise to the top. I think this has always been thus. A century ago, in Britain, the chief form of entertainment for "the masses" was the music hall - simple, throwaway songs with lewd lyrics and singalong choruses. Serious music existed of course - what we now term "classical" - but it was only listened to by a small minority. Today's music hall stars are Oasis and Bush, but nothing much has changed except for the visibility and earnings of those stars. I would expect that the lot of the "serious" professional musician has changed little in that time. >I know about this phenomenon, having a 12 year old son who pounds this >stuff out on his white stratocaster, exclusively. While respecting his >individuality and accepting his taste as his own, it is hard not to wish >more for him. With luck, as he grows he will shift into more demanding music - he is only 12, and much of the music we discuss here is quite "mature". I revealed my own deepseated prejudices when I was astounded to find in GP that our Andre is "only" 21. >Although we speak here about music and the almost magical technology that >becomes our artist's palette, I cannot help but to be drawn to the bigger >picture of the times in which we create. Is it historical "business as >usual" >that substance gives way to fashion? The 60's did not feel that way to >me, >but no doubt I am myopic and biased by my own experience. I feel that the >US, and perhaps much of the world, has become more conservative since >those >times. I don't really follow what you're saying here, not having experienced the 60s for more than a month, and then only as an embryo. Could you elaborate? >I'd like to hear the thoughts of others. Do we just detach ourselves >from the mainstream, and just do what we do? Perhaps this is best. Or >do we have a *responsibility* to do more. I don't think we _can_ do more. Public taste will always be with the less demanding musics. And as one controvercial PR officer once put, "remember that 50% of the population have below average intelligence, by definition". >Some years ago, I studied with a very talented jazz guitarist and soulful >human being, Ted Dunbar, at Rutgers University. He used to say that >"music >will save the world". And he was never speaking figuratively. Yeah - but who's going to save music? Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb