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In reply to Kim's dissertation of the increasing prevalance of looping in popular music -- All very good points that are raised, with regards to the increasing visibility of looping features in DJ Mixers and electronica-oriented instruments, as well as the whole British rave scene (which EVERY magazine I read these days says is sure to usurp the allegedly rotting corpse of rock and role as the new popular music form here in the states any second now...) and the MTV-ready advent of White Zombie, et al. However, I do feel that there's a fundamental difference between what nearly all of the above areas relate to as opposed to what most of this list deals with. In essence, most loop-oriented music that's emergent in popular music is based on sampling already-existing source music and then re-contextualizing it (or not) in order to produce a new (or not-so-new) end product. It's a very studio-oriented endeavor, which involves sampling the source, probably tweaking and filtering the original sample, editing the length of the sample, assigning it to a sequencer for triggering, and then possibly blending it into a sonic collage with a myriad of other sounds and instruments. The difference between that approach and the Big Three is that the JamMan/Echoplex/Boomerang are specifically designed as real-time tools, which excel at creating and editing loops right then and there, in the same moment that the music is happening. Moreover, they're geared less around sampling music that already exists, and more towards acting as a conduit for sculpting new music that wouldn't exist without the mechanism of the unit's functions. Traditional samplers capture music that's already been made; loopers help create music in the here and now. (This is of course a bit of an over-generalization). So the way that music is made using an actual Big Three-type looper is, in my estimation, a very different sort of proposition, both mechanically and philosophically, than using a studio-based sampler to edit pieces together in step time. There are provisions in the JamMan and Echoplex for MIDI implementation and step-time studio construction, but as far as I'm concerned these definitely AREN'T where the strengths of these instruments lie (though the Echoplex, at least, is certainly servicable for studio and sequencing work if it becomes necessary). So while it's true that looping is becoming more and more ubiquitous, I'm not sure that that will immediately translate into more demand for the Echoplex or JamMan, simply because using one of those sorts of instrumnets requires a very different sort of approach than simply loading a two-bar drum loop into and Akai and then looping it for five minutes. (No disrespect towards that sort of approach intended, but I'd dare say that loop music in general leans more towards the latter than the former approach). Any other thoughts? --Andre