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In a message dated 2/4/97 7:59:37 PM, jj wrote, re algorithmic loop mutation: <<Anybody think this is remotely possible with the devices we have today? Any other thoughts on how to put some fresh, (relatively) unpredictable or at least systemic experimentation into looping? >> Sounds like a job for Max, Opcode/IRcam's MIDI programming environment, which can apparently detect and/or analyse audio via an Audiomedia card, I understand...or rather I DON'T understand, but betcha one of the folks on the lofty max list could set up something like what you describe...there's also SuperCollider, an amazing real-time synth and audio processor for the Power Mac (whose downloadable demo is a free sonic trip NO audio-minded PowerPC owner should overlook!). And of course, who knows what couldn't be done with cSound, a Kyma box, or even an Eventide DSP4000, were money and audio engineering expertise no object... dp